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UK government launches fuel forecourt price API

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Re: UK government launches fuel forecourt price API

#101

More unnecessary meddling, this causes price convergence so anyone living close to a typically lower cost source of fuel is going to have an almost imperceptible increase in relative cost. They certainly love spending taxpayer money on nothing don't they.

> this causes price convergence

aka competition

Re: UK government launches fuel forecourt price API

#102
post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

mostly such tools are useful when you go very close to a few petrol stations on your regular routes anyway. I can pretty much time topups for when the cheapest station locally is en-route to my destination A 7p per litre difference does sound like the difference between local station and motorway prices though, and they probably will have factored in that opportunity cost of time...

> A 7p per litre difference does sound like the difference between local station and motorway prices though, and they probably will have factored in that opportunity cost of time... Only 7p? Motorway services have shocking price markups, way more than 7p. Most people don't realise this or are just too lazy to find something that isn't quite as convenient. According to the live feed at https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advi…

Petrol in the U.K. is insanely cheap. When I passed my test I could buy 4.5 litres with an hours work at minimum wage, which would get me about 30 miles. Today an hour at minimum wage gets me 9.4 litres and takes me over 100 miles.

Spending an extra £10 once or twice a year when driving a few hundred miles and thus needing to fill up at a motorway is nothing. Chances are I’m spending that much on an overpriced coffee when I do that anyway.

Re: UK government launches fuel forecourt price API

#103
This is great news. There's been a pilot study in which each retailer (voluntarily) hosted a JSON file containing their current prices (https://www.gov.uk/guidance/access-fuel-price-data). I noticed recently that a few of them had been removed/stopped working.

Neither the pilot nor the current API appears to include all fuel stations, but at least they provide (hopefully) more reliable updates from the ones that do.

I'd been playing with the pilot study data and set up FuelBelly to aggregate and compare https://fuelbelly.com/explore?lat=51.50740713124398&lng=-0.1.... (doesn't include the API updates, yet...)

A quick play with the API, the information responses (opening times, addresses etc.) doesn't appear to be working, I just get a 500 (HTML not JSON) response. But the price calls are working, and I'm glad this is being pushed forward post-pilot.

Re: UK government launches fuel forecourt price API

#104
post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are usually already available on the various charging apps and maps, especially because it can vary by a lot.

Charging apps suck. Why can't charging work just like gas? Tap a card and you're done.

I am mainly referring to the apps which hold a database of chargers, not the shitty ones which are used to take payment. Thankfully it seems like more of them are switching to contactless payments.

Re: UK government launches fuel forecourt price API

#105
This sort of thing works well for individuals. Eg.

https://www.fuelcheck.nsw.gov.au/app/FuelPrice/ByLocation?la...

Then you need the integration into home assistant for your local options.

https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/nsw_fuel_station/

And an app for ease of use when you're out of your local area.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=au.gov.nsw.one...

https://apps.apple.com/au/app/nsw-fuelcheck/id1266569551

How does it affect things across the economy for fuel purchase? Haven't seen a study. It would incentive-ise price cutting to increase sales, especially by the independent operators, by essentially advertising the lower pricing for free, is my guess.

Re: UK government launches fuel forecourt price API

#106
post #86

Decisions about fuel purchases are often irrational, much like many food purchases or generic medicines. I know someone who avoids their local petrol station that is 10p/litre cheaper than most others nearby (within a mile or so) as they think the cheaper fuel must be lower quality. There are weird status things going on with purchases like this. Only the other day my father refused to buy some branded paracetamol be…

Having seen what happens with bad gas from shoddy stations, i too will bypass many in favor of the big names. I know someone who got water instead of gas when a tiny mom-and-pop gas station let thier tank run so low it started pumping decades of groundwater from the bottom of a rarely-serviced tank.

Just google "gas station pumped water" to see all the local news articles about this sort of thing.

https://www.koco.com/article/drivers-oklahoma-furious-after-...

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/gas-station-pumps-ga-water/

https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/local/lake-county/mentor-w...

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/nevada-gas-station-pumps-golden...

Re: UK government launches fuel forecourt price API

#107
It’s a delight even to have a regulated source of all fuel station locations in the uk!

This might be a slight missing woods/trees moment but that aside - there is precious little open geospatial data in the uk that establishes see this dot here? That’s a fuel station, that is. That dot there? Oooooh no, that there’s a pub.

The uk govts of the time managed to hand both the address data and the this-is-what-it-is data off to separate commercial enterprises in the name of privatisation, and I genuinely believe it was by accident as it’s… err… quite a niche topic of knowledge.

So anything - anything! - that brings some of that back and truly open to the public is very much welcomed.

Re: UK government launches fuel forecourt price API

#109
post #86

Decisions about fuel purchases are often irrational, much like many food purchases or generic medicines. I know someone who avoids their local petrol station that is 10p/litre cheaper than most others nearby (within a mile or so) as they think the cheaper fuel must be lower quality. There are weird status things going on with purchases like this. Only the other day my father refused to buy some branded paracetamol be…

Since paracetamol interacts with alcohol,there may be more rationality than first thought!

Re: UK government launches fuel forecourt price API

#110
post #86

Decisions about fuel purchases are often irrational, much like many food purchases or generic medicines. I know someone who avoids their local petrol station that is 10p/litre cheaper than most others nearby (within a mile or so) as they think the cheaper fuel must be lower quality. There are weird status things going on with purchases like this. Only the other day my father refused to buy some branded paracetamol be…

Having seen what happens with bad gas from shoddy stations, i too will bypass many in favor of the big names. I know someone who got water instead of gas when a tiny mom-and-pop gas station let thier tank run so low it started pumping decades of groundwater from the bottom of a rarely-serviced tank. Just google "gas station pumped water" to see all the local news articles about this sort of thing. https://www.koco.co…

None of these are local news articles, in fact they are all from a different continent.

A local article that I did find was from a BP petrol station in Liverpool, so I'm not sure this can be isolated to 'mom-and-pop' outfits (something we don't really have over here anyway).

https://www.petrolprices.com/news/garage-sells-petrol-dilute...

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