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Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

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Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

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Post by notepad0x90 »

It's the same geniuses that come up with the worst product names possible. Like they came up with a really good product name and inverted the value to use the opposite.

The problem is that the engineers and coders that ran microsoft are no longer doing so. Their leadership is too disconnected.

It's the same recipe of enshittification you see all over, marketing, sales take over along with consultants and MBA's. Except, I think in Microsoft's case there are still enough people who know about the technology to be dangerous, they're not entirely clueless, they just know enough (like about AI in this case) to be dangerous.

Regardless of the sentiment on HN and elsewhere though, even excluding enterprise usage, I doubt windows' marketshare will suffer more than 10% YoY.

Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

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Post by onetokeoverthe »

Shank wrote: post #2

> It appears this moment of pushback has resonated with internal teams: According to people familiar with Microsoft’s plans, the company is now reevaluating its AI strategy on Windows 11 and plans changes to streamline or even remove certain AI features where they don’t make sense. Obviously this is a complete failure of governance. The very first thing they should have considered was whether or not these features ma…

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Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

#104

Post by unyttigfjelltol »

dartharva wrote: post #25
pixelpoet wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The question Microsoft should ask themselves is why they built them in the first place It seems like everyone except MS themselves knows why: they got tunnel vision from Azure and AI, and completely forgot about what actually made them successful. Hell they even burnt down one of the most famous brands in the world, MS Office, for zero reason other than to try and whitewash their Copilot name. The marketing guys wh…

I don't know about Windows, but it will take a lot more enshittification than that to burn down the Office brand. Excel alone carries it to dominance.

Word, Excel, maybe, but the MS strategy is vendor lock-in not any actual productivity. We see all day long how AI burns down silos and enables cross-platform coordination.

I bet MS saw this too and the “CoPilot Everything” pivot was their failed effort to maintain vendor lock-in in the age of LLMs. That failed, devalued their product, since they doubled-down in the meantime on enhanced hostility to cross-platform tools (try lately to read LLM markdown on vanilla M365?) now MS will have that reckoning after conceding a 3-year head start to disrupters and, yes, antagonizing core users with uptempo customer-hostile slop.

Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

#105

Post by sockmeistr »

zthrowaway wrote: post #37

I can’t believe I’m going to type this, but I miss the Ballmer days. Current leadership has somehow made this company even worse.

If you haven't seen it before, I'd recommend Dan Luu's blog post about Ballmer:

https://danluu.com/ballmer/

Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

#106

Post by 3D30497420 »

kakacik wrote: post #87
chii wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The PMs are completely asleep at the wheel or, everyone has career aspirations for which they need to demonstrate impact, relevance and in shipping products. Since the current hype is AI, making and being part of the AI hype means career advancement (at the time).

Well if its done in a dumb-as-a-fuck hostile style that whole world complaints for years , such effort and PM is utter failure and their CV should be tarnished with this for next 2 decades. And its up to us as a IT community to make it happen. They harmed massively their own company, and failed at the most core reason why they were hired - add long term value to the company. Its a bit the equivalent of architect buil…

I saw a presentation awhile back which included the slide (roughly):

"Give a PM a numerical goal, and they will burn the company down to hit it."

As someone who has worked in big tech and seen decision-making in action, I 100% believe it. This is how incentives are structured.

Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

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Post by pjc50 »

pixelpoet wrote: post #17
Shank wrote: post #2

> It appears this moment of pushback has resonated with internal teams: According to people familiar with Microsoft’s plans, the company is now reevaluating its AI strategy on Windows 11 and plans changes to streamline or even remove certain AI features where they don’t make sense. Obviously this is a complete failure of governance. The very first thing they should have considered was whether or not these features ma…

> The question Microsoft should ask themselves is why they built them in the first place It seems like everyone except MS themselves knows why: they got tunnel vision from Azure and AI, and completely forgot about what actually made them successful. Hell they even burnt down one of the most famous brands in the world, MS Office, for zero reason other than to try and whitewash their Copilot name. The marketing guys wh…

Massive self-inflicted brand damage worked for X dot com, I suppose.

Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

#109

Post by okanat »

Telaneo wrote: post #62
zthrowaway wrote: post #37

I can’t believe I’m going to type this, but I miss the Ballmer days. Current leadership has somehow made this company even worse.

It's a bit like Bush. Sure, what happened back then was indeed stupid, but we didn't know how bad it was going to get.

For both cases, the previous bad management was calculatingly evil but there was reason.

Now it's pure emotional response and acting like rabid animals that lost every single notion but attacking and harming anything they see as a target.

Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

#110

Post by XorNot »

pjc50 wrote: post #108
pixelpoet wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The question Microsoft should ask themselves is why they built them in the first place It seems like everyone except MS themselves knows why: they got tunnel vision from Azure and AI, and completely forgot about what actually made them successful. Hell they even burnt down one of the most famous brands in the world, MS Office, for zero reason other than to try and whitewash their Copilot name. The marketing guys wh…

Massive self-inflicted brand damage worked for X dot com, I suppose.

Is X even breaking even at the moment? Last I checked the ad revenue had dried up and boiled off, did they actually manage to cut enough to even it out?
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