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Re: Wisconsin communities signed secrecy deals for billion-dollar data centers

#101

There is no need for this many data centers. LLMs are a scourge on humanity as they are currently implemented, and what will they do when these are no longer needed? I can't wait until OpenAI, NVIDIA and Microsoft all go belly up.

> what will they do when these are no longer needed?

Bitcoin—>Altcoin—>NFTs—>StableCoin—>AI—>They'll just invent something new to over-hype and spend billions on.

It won't end until we reach the Shoe Event Horizon.

Re: Wisconsin communities signed secrecy deals for billion-dollar data centers

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this will age poorly. you have both Google, Tesla/X betting on it. They are not stupid and probably have given it way more thought than people's whose paycheques not tied to this have thought about. This is an ambitious bet, with some possibility of failure but it should say a lot that these companies are investing in them. I wonder what people think, are these companies so naive? Edit: Elon, Sundar, Jensen, Jeff are…

Everyone were also betting on quantum computing and the hydrogen energy revolution. My napkin math says that, for a system at around 75°C, you would need about 13,000 square meters of radiators in space to reject 10 MW of heat.

why do you think they are betting on it if it so obvious to you that it won't work?

Re: Wisconsin communities signed secrecy deals for billion-dollar data centers

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I'd like to hear the argument for why this is needed. I can imagine a number of reasons, but this is all I found in the article: > If I’m a company considering making strategic investments... I don’t want my competition to know where I’m going, what I’m doing, what pace I’m doing it at... You want to make sure everything is buttoned up and bow tied before that type of information is put into the public realm. I'm hav…

This is a scary argument. Should we also ban car emissions/safety testing, because Volvo's competitors might discern something from the results? Should we also stop FCC certification because competitors might glean information out of a device's radio characteristics? The local residents, if not the public at large, should have a right to know. If not, then it should go both ways and grocery stores shouldn't be allowe…

> Should we also ban car emissions/safety testing, because Volvo's competitors might discern something from the results? Should we also stop FCC certification because competitors might glean information out of a device's radio characteristics?

In the US neither of those are generally made public per se. They are made public when the thing actually passes testing or certification.

Re: Wisconsin communities signed secrecy deals for billion-dollar data centers

#104

There is no need for this many data centers. LLMs are a scourge on humanity as they are currently implemented, and what will they do when these are no longer needed? I can't wait until OpenAI, NVIDIA and Microsoft all go belly up.

The compute will find a use case; if the AI bubble bursts I'm sure all the excess capacity will be rerouted to crypto again. But also, there's still plenty of usage in chatbots or image / video generation, I'm not convinced that will just stop.

Re: Wisconsin communities signed secrecy deals for billion-dollar data centers

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I'd like to hear the argument for why this is needed. I can imagine a number of reasons, but this is all I found in the article: > If I’m a company considering making strategic investments... I don’t want my competition to know where I’m going, what I’m doing, what pace I’m doing it at... You want to make sure everything is buttoned up and bow tied before that type of information is put into the public realm. I'm hav…

The elected representation agreed to this, and a with a bit of imagination, you can list a few reasons for exercising an NDA before a vote:

- Avoid the large and well-funded network of professional activists in the US from sabotaging the property and injuring locals - Avoid local political actors from spreading fear and misinformation just for the sake of grandstanding. - Avoid activist attorneys and judges from across the country, some paid by competitors, to create endless frivolous legal obstacles

We need an acronym like NIMBY but when it’s obnoxious progressive hedge fund managers and tech-rich psychopaths who live in some toxic coastal city who don’t want it in your own back yard a thousand miles away.

Re: Wisconsin communities signed secrecy deals for billion-dollar data centers

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I'd like to hear the argument for why this is needed. I can imagine a number of reasons, but this is all I found in the article: > If I’m a company considering making strategic investments... I don’t want my competition to know where I’m going, what I’m doing, what pace I’m doing it at... You want to make sure everything is buttoned up and bow tied before that type of information is put into the public realm. I'm hav…

I wish I had better hard numbers on it but from my experience, it’s not unusual for large buildouts, say for example a manufacturing plant to happen with NDAs until you get at least initial sign offs. Land, county, electric grid, water etc. There is a component of not wanting the competition know exactly what your doing but also it’s usually better for most parties including the constituents to not know about it unti…

I can’t give you a number, but I work in the space and it is very common. It’s not just industrial sites; it can just be a new bank headquarters.

Re: Wisconsin communities signed secrecy deals for billion-dollar data centers

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No say "nothing to see here" like giving people nothing to see.

Also interesting that these investors could have invested in power plants to bring down people utilities but they are not interested in investing in people.

When AI crashes these plants need to be stormed and taken over by the people of the community.

Re: Wisconsin communities signed secrecy deals for billion-dollar data centers

#108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s definitely a result of the money at play, which is unprecedented in scale and (imo) speculation. But this is, in theory, why we have laws: to fight power imbalances, and money is of course power. Tough for me to be optimistic about law and order right now though, especially when it comes to the president’s biggest donors and the vice president’s handlers.

the building of the American Railroads were the largest capital endeavor in known history IIR. .. and Stanford was in the center of that, too

Ah my bad. But also, if we’re comparing buildout of infrastructure to the construction of the American Railroad system, especially in the context of lawbreaking and general immoral and unethical behavior…

Point kind of proven, yeah? One more argument for the “return to the gilded age” debates.

Edit: you’re speaking kind of authoritatively on the subject though. Care to share some figures? The AI bubble is definitely measured in trillions in 2026 USD. Was the railroad buildout trillions of dollars?

Re: Wisconsin communities signed secrecy deals for billion-dollar data centers

#109

There is no need for this many data centers. LLMs are a scourge on humanity as they are currently implemented, and what will they do when these are no longer needed? I can't wait until OpenAI, NVIDIA and Microsoft all go belly up.

A scourge? I get some kind of valuable use from it almost every day. This criticism sounds completely out of touch.

Re: Wisconsin communities signed secrecy deals for billion-dollar data centers

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The reason likely here is water. It was the same with foxcon. They want access to Lake Michigan.

I have a feeling the Great Lakes Compact members will have something to say about this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Lakes_Compact

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