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Post by [deleted] »

joe_mamba wrote: post #93
gf000 wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A 2-3 generation old pixel on the second hand marker is not expensive at all though. And you easily add a mouse/keyboard just fine to it.

>A 2-3 generation old pixel on the second hand marker is not expensive at all though. Sure but at around 300 bucks is still way over 50 bucks. And even if you get a used Pixel 8, having separate phone and computer adds a priceless layer of redundancy and flexibility. If someone steals my phone, I don't want to also loose my work PC with it.

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Re: Android’s desktop interface leaks

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Post by NewsaHackO »

freedomben wrote: post #91
gessha wrote: post #86

It is interesting to consider the different developments happening with the big mobile orgs regarding the convergence computing paradigm: - Samsung’s Dex has been out for a while - independent devs have been working on Linux “as an app” for some time - Android desktop interface in this article - Apple developing video output on iPhones - Apple working on a Macbook with a mobile chip - another exciting thing is XR dev…

> my concern is convergence computing will reduce the importance of desktop interfaces and the freedom we have to install whatever applications we want Yep, it absolutely will I expect. All the pieces are being or have been laid to build the new world where only a "trusted" device will be able to use the internet. Us nerds can still have our Linux, but it won't work with much of the internet because we won't be able…

I think tech companies are realizing that the biggest "mistake" they have ever made was giving so much freedom to the desktop user. They hate that we can look into, modify, and delete files, hate that we can add custom-made software, and hate that we can identify and turn off tracking/telemetry. They realized this with the mobile platform and locked everything down, but by that time it was already too late.

Re: Android’s desktop interface leaks

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Post by wat10000 »

ashleyn wrote: post #72
dfajgljsldkjag wrote: post #69

This looks like it will help a lot of students and families who are on a budget. If you can just plug your phone into a screen you do not need to buy a separate laptop anymore. The browser extensions are the most important part because that is what makes a computer useful. I am glad to see they are thinking about this.

How will this succeed where the Motorola Atrix failed way back in 2011? https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2011/03/the-motorola-atrix-4...

Phones were way less powerful 15 years ago and native software was much more important. A modern phone CPU running a browser on a larger screen takes care of a lot of what you need these days.

Re: Android’s desktop interface leaks

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Post by drecked »

joe_mamba wrote: post #99
okokwhatever wrote: post #96

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Do you understand how much are 50 bucks in a third world country? I mean, Android phone is not the cheapest solution for the poor (obviously) but it helps a lot having this kind of features for a family.

>Do you understand how much are 50 bucks in a third world country? Yes I do, no need to patronize us with that since even in 3rd world countries people have access to old computers from ewaste imports at a reasonable price, we don't all live in straw mudhuts wearing loincloths swinging from branch to branch. Now tell me which 50 euro phone ships with display output and is readily available. AFAIK Oneplus 7T I had is…

This is mistaken in a few way.

1. In 3rd world countries everyone has a phone, usually android, no matter how poor the are. Irrespective of whether or not it has desktop capabilities. So any phone purchase is already part of their baseline expenses.

2. Any desktop/laptop purchase, even if it is $1, is an extra $1.

3. The screens/keyboards/mouse again will not likely be purchased by individuals themselves. They will have “Internet cafes”, libraries, schools, etc where those screens will be provided.

Re: Android’s desktop interface leaks

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Post by cogman10 »

joe_mamba wrote: post #93
gf000 wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A 2-3 generation old pixel on the second hand marker is not expensive at all though. And you easily add a mouse/keyboard just fine to it.

>A 2-3 generation old pixel on the second hand marker is not expensive at all though. Sure but at around 300 bucks is still way over 50 bucks. And even if you get a used Pixel 8, having separate phone and computer adds a priceless layer of redundancy and flexibility. If someone steals my phone, I don't want to also loose my work PC with it.

You are also buying a soon to be unmaintained device which will fall out of security support.

That $50 PC can run linux with the latest kernel for the next 20 years (maybe longer).

Re: Android’s desktop interface leaks

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Post by joe_mamba »

drecked wrote: post #104
joe_mamba wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Do you understand how much are 50 bucks in a third world country? Yes I do, no need to patronize us with that since even in 3rd world countries people have access to old computers from ewaste imports at a reasonable price, we don't all live in straw mudhuts wearing loincloths swinging from branch to branch. Now tell me which 50 euro phone ships with display output and is readily available. AFAIK Oneplus 7T I had is…

This is mistaken in a few way. 1. In 3rd world countries everyone has a phone, usually android, no matter how poor the are. Irrespective of whether or not it has desktop capabilities. So any phone purchase is already part of their baseline expenses. 2. Any desktop/laptop purchase, even if it is $1, is an extra $1. 3. The screens/keyboards/mouse again will not likely be purchased by individuals themselves. They will h…

>This is mistaken in a few way.

Only when you ignore the numbers.

>1. [...] So any phone purchase is already part of their baseline expenses.

Yeah but that base line expense can be 50$ or $300. Big difference. Not everyone in 3rd world countries has 300 for a Pixel 8. That's the biggest flaw in your argument. That, and the fact that walking around with an exotic 300$ Pixel 8 flags you as a potential target for mugging in the wrong neighbourhoods, verus a beat up 50$ Samsung or Huawei.

>2. Any desktop/laptop purchase, even if it is $1, is an extra $1.

Hence why a 50$ laptop and a 50$ android phone leaves you better off than blowing 300$ on just the phone alone. And if even 1$ is THAT critical to your daily survival, then you're not buying 300$ phones anyway to begin with. You're buying the cheapest you can get so that in case it gets stolen you don't lose 6 months of savings.

>3. The screens/keyboards/mouse again will not likely be purchased by individuals themselves. They will have “Internet cafes”, libraries, schools, etc where those screens will be provided.

You think in 3rd world countries people just have displays with USB-C docks, keyboards and mice everywhere in public and at home? I know it's getting difficult to tell them apart these days, but we're talking about 3rd world countries, not the bay area.

Re: Android’s desktop interface leaks

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Post by joe_mamba »

nutjob2 wrote: post #100
joe_mamba wrote: post #84

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>This looks like it will help a lot of students and families who are on a budget. If you can just plug your phone into a screen you do not need to buy a separate laptop anymore. Except that android phones with display output are mostly flagships with flagship prices. But 50 Euros on the used market got me a retired corporate HP/Dell laptop with 1080p screen, intel 8th gen i5 quad core, 8GB RAM and 256GB NVME on which…

You don't wired need display output, just WiFi. Motorola's Smart Connect desktop uses Miracast for using TVs and the like as desktop monitors as well as wired. I got my moto g84 5G with 8/256 GB for about 170 euros new and it supports it (not wired). Seems to work fine.

Is it any good? Last time I tried miracast the framerate and video quality was total garbage due to shit compression. Barely worked for streaming youtube videos to the TV but no way I could do it for productivity.
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