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Cloudflare claimed they implemented Matrix on Cloudflare workers. They didn't

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Re: Cloudflare claimed they implemented Matrix on Cloudflare workers. They didn't

#101

That the original post to HN linked in the blog was done on a throwaway kind of implies a level of awareness (on the part of the dev) that the code/claims were rubbish :) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46780837

Not to mention they commented on their own post, pretending to ask a question..

Re: Cloudflare claimed they implemented Matrix on Cloudflare workers. They didn't

#102
post #64

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Reminds me of Cloudflare's OAuth library for Workers. >Claude's output was thoroughly reviewed by Cloudflare engineers with careful attention paid to security >To emphasize, this is not "vibe coded". >Every line was thoroughly reviewed and cross-referenced with relevant RFCs, by security experts with previous experience with those RFCs. ...Some time later... https://github.com/advisories/GHSA-4pc9-x2fx-p7vj

What is the learning here? There were humans involved in every step. Things built with security in mind are not invulnerable, human written or otherwise.

The learning is "they lied". After all, apart from marketing materials making a claim, where is the evidence?

Re: Cloudflare claimed they implemented Matrix on Cloudflare workers. They didn't

#103
post #37

The developer just "cleaned up the code comments", i.e. they removed all TODOs from the code: https://github.com/nkuntz1934/matrix-workers/commit/2d3969dd... Professionalism at its finest!

I also use this as a simple heuristic: https://github.com/nkuntz1934/matrix-workers/commits/main/ There exist only two commits. I've never seen a "real" project that looks like this.

I think that's a reasonable heuristic, but I have projects where I primarily commit to an internal Gitea instance, and then sometimes commit to a public GitHub repo. I don't want people to see me stumbling around in my own code until I think it's somewhat clean.

Re: Cloudflare claimed they implemented Matrix on Cloudflare workers. They didn't

#104
post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reminds me of Cloudflare's OAuth library for Workers. >Claude's output was thoroughly reviewed by Cloudflare engineers with careful attention paid to security >To emphasize, this is not "vibe coded". >Every line was thoroughly reviewed and cross-referenced with relevant RFCs, by security experts with previous experience with those RFCs. ...Some time later... https://github.com/advisories/GHSA-4pc9-x2fx-p7vj

What is the learning here? There were humans involved in every step. Things built with security in mind are not invulnerable, human written or otherwise.

the problem with "AI" is that by the very way it was trained: it produces plausible looking code

so the "reviewing" process will be looking for the needles in the haystack

when you have no understanding, or mental model of how it works, because there isn't one

it's a recipe for disaster for anything other than trivial projects

Re: Cloudflare claimed they implemented Matrix on Cloudflare workers. They didn't

#105
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post #91

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> Is it really worth it? Unequivocally yes. Fraud is fraud, and if your first instinct is to defend it in this manner, check yourself in the mirror.

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In a real "engineering" role, this person would be stripped of their license for stamping "production grade" on a bunch of AI slop.

That doesn't exist in our trade, so yeah, public shaming is the next best thing. I sincerely hope links to this incident will haunt him every time someone googles his name forevermore.

Re: Cloudflare claimed they implemented Matrix on Cloudflare workers. They didn't

#106

The developer just "cleaned up the code comments", i.e. they removed all TODOs from the code: https://github.com/nkuntz1934/matrix-workers/commit/2d3969dd... Professionalism at its finest!

LLMs made them twice as efficient: with just one release, they're burning tokens and their reputation.

It's kinda mindblowing. What even is the purpose of this? It's not like this is some post on the vibecoding subreddit, this is fricken Cloudflare. Like... What the hell is going on in there?

Re: Cloudflare claimed they implemented Matrix on Cloudflare workers. They didn't

#107
post #12

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They aren't really a multi-billion dollar corporation. A lot of it is them just pumping up their valuation. Stuff like this proves that in a lot of ways.

They are running > 300 DC's...

Talking about Cursor not Cloudflare.

Re: Cloudflare claimed they implemented Matrix on Cloudflare workers. They didn't

#108
post #38

nkuntz1934 Senior Engineering TPM @ Cloudflare Of course, this is done by a manager. Classic corporate mindset, I can do what these smelly nerds do every day, hold my bear. He doesn't even know how git works, huh? What a clown.

TPM isn't manager. It's basically a PM, but they're (supposed) to be technical

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Re: Cloudflare claimed they implemented Matrix on Cloudflare workers. They didn't

#109
post #100
post #96

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I’m plenty calm. There’s just nothing to debate here: the blog post and repo are a conscious, deliberate, and egregious misrepresentation of fact. I would absolutely say exactly the same things to the author’s face as I’m saying right now. I would never work for a company that condones this in a million years, as a matter of principle.

And I didn't say that you cannot criticise it (or did you think I was talking to you personally?).

I just see a lot of comments from people who just seem happy to see that they can contribute to ruining someone else's day (or more).

Re: Cloudflare claimed they implemented Matrix on Cloudflare workers. They didn't

#110
post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the learning here? There were humans involved in every step. Things built with security in mind are not invulnerable, human written or otherwise.

The learning is "they lied". After all, apart from marketing materials making a claim, where is the evidence?

Wait, we think they’re lying because an advisory was eventually found? We think that should be impossible with people involved?
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