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Post by gadders »

chimprich wrote: post #92
joe_mamba wrote: post #16

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> Because if it were actual fascism, like the Hitler/Mussolini kind, you'd be arrest/dead the moment you spoke anything against it. It looks like you have paramilitaries roaming your streets - not wearing ID or proper uniforms, covering their faces to avoid identification, not answering to usual democratic controls - executing protestors. In the latest incident, they seemed to be beating and spraying a woman with a c…

>>covering their faces to avoid identification

Covering their faces to avoid doxing and being attacked at their homes.

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Post by WickyNilliams »

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm wrote: post #65
Alifatisk wrote: post #55

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Doesn’t more and more countries fall into the enemies category as Trump is ruining international relationships?

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> He is incredibly good at manipulating public perception to change opinions and get what he wants

Sorry but you are suffering from some kind of delusion here. He's not manipulating public perception in any way that is beneficial to him or the US. He's crashing his own public perception (which was already in the gutter to all but the sycophants and blind loyalists) and taking the US' reputation with him

Re: Celebrities say they are being censored by TikTok after speaking out against ICE

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Post by chimprich »

joe_mamba wrote: post #98
chimprich wrote: post #92

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> Because if it were actual fascism, like the Hitler/Mussolini kind, you'd be arrest/dead the moment you spoke anything against it. It looks like you have paramilitaries roaming your streets - not wearing ID or proper uniforms, covering their faces to avoid identification, not answering to usual democratic controls - executing protestors. In the latest incident, they seemed to be beating and spraying a woman with a c…

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> Really? That's why they have vests that say "POLICE FEDERAL AGENT" front and back ?

The paramilitaries that executed Pretti are all wearing street clothing, and all wearing different clothing. They look like a mob.

> Dangerous people that could identify their faces and kill their families in retaliation.

Well that's convenient, because it also allows them to kill protestors or their families without any consequence.

> Why are the protesters assaulting them covering their faces

Pretti didn't assault them, and wasn't covering his face. He got executed anyway.

Re: Celebrities say they are being censored by TikTok after speaking out against ICE

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Post by ozlikethewizard »

stanislavb wrote: post #62

Get used to it. Both TikTok and X(twitter) have been used and will be used to manipulate the public opinion in favour of Trump. I'm aware that I can't prove it; however, this explains how Trump won, and how he will win again - manipulating the zombies.

There are studies on it but the conclusions are pretty thin right now because data collection is hard, but I'd say youre right

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/00104140241306955

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Post by joe_mamba »

chimprich wrote: post #103
joe_mamba wrote: post #98

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> Really? That's why they have vests that say "POLICE FEDERAL AGENT" front and back ? The paramilitaries that executed Pretti are all wearing street clothing, and all wearing different clothing. They look like a mob. > Dangerous people that could identify their faces and kill their families in retaliation. Well that's convenient, because it also allows them to kill protestors or their families without any consequence…

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Post by hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm »

WickyNilliams wrote: post #102
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> He is incredibly good at manipulating public perception to change opinions and get what he wants Sorry but you are suffering from some kind of delusion here. He's not manipulating public perception in any way that is beneficial to him or the US. He's crashing his own public perception (which was already in the gutter to all but the sycophants and blind loyalists) and taking the US' reputation with him

This is the one thing you shouldn't deny especially if you don't like Trump.

“There is no greater danger than underestimating your opponent.” ― Lao Tzu

Re: Celebrities say they are being censored by TikTok after speaking out against ICE

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Post by Martinussen »

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm wrote: post #65
Alifatisk wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn’t more and more countries fall into the enemies category as Trump is ruining international relationships?

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I think you are heavily underestimating the level of contempt he has built towards Americans and the US in the last month or two. I don't think Europeans, certainly not Scandinavians, will forget this for decades. This isn't like some random normal boycott-type movement that goes viral, I legitimately think Americans are teetering on being persona non grata as a people unless they prove they've divorced themselves from the mess at home.

It might be manipulating people at home, but you're closer (still not close, obviously) to Russia than Sweden as far as a trustworthy business partner or ally now. We're suddenly not making any long term plans that rely on America or American companies where it's avoidable, I don't know if you understand how big of a shift that is.

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Post by 113 »

ap99 wrote: post #74
scotty79 wrote: post #50

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Support for ICE is in minority (although a large one). I don't think algorithm would suppress negative opinions on it, especially among viewership of celebrities that don't appeal to the right side of political spectrum.

You should qualify your statement with "amongst the few people I talk to and the narrow spectrum of media I consume." Also, do you mean minority of the total US population or minority of the voting population? For one reference point I fully support ICE. And I think it's wild you have local and state politicians encouraging actions against federal agents who are enforcing federal law.

Polling seems to suggest you're wrong.

Re: Celebrities say they are being censored by TikTok after speaking out against ICE

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Post by WickyNilliams »

joe_mamba wrote: post #84
curt15 wrote: post #36

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Fascism takes hold in stages; Nazi Germany didn't go from 0 to 100 in one day. You have to nip it in the bud before it grows up. Right now, ICE goes out of their way to beat and arrest protestors and steal their cameras. They're not yet mowing them down but by that time it would be a little late to do something about their conduct. Remember that the current US president admires how the CCP crushed the student protest…

>You have to nip it in the bud before it grows up. Sure, but if you use fascist tactics to fight fascism, are you not a fascist yourself? And people conveniently focus only on the symptoms(rise of fascism) but not on the main cause that leads to it. Like Hitler didn't just randomly get to power one day out of nowhere because the average German citizen was living such a good life. He was just one of the symptoms to a…

What fascist tactics did they use to get rid of Hitler? If you're referring to his time in prison, he was put there because he staged a putsch.

Beyond that, much of the establishment and industry tried to work with him using a softly, softly approach. They thought they could steer him, temper him, leverage his popularity for their own ends. Of course, that didn't work out for them

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