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Ireland wants to give its cops spyware, ability to crack encrypted messages

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Re: Ireland wants to give its cops spyware, ability to crack encrypted messages

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Post by komali2 »

bell-cot wrote: post #78
themafia wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The case in NY was police setup a sting on the subway to catch a serial stabber. Instead of stopping him they stood by and watched him attack several innocent bystanders. They were sued for incompetence. For the failed sting. The two police officers who stood and watched him get attacked were ruled to be immune because they had no duty to protect him. Point being, if police see you getting attacked, they have no duty…

If you see two police on the corner and think... Not to speak highly of the NYPD - but it is the character of most violent criminals to refrain from attacking you when police officers are standing close at hand.

Depends on the violent crime. I've been nearly run over in crosswalks dozens of times in view of police, sometimes when they're in traffic as well and could easily pull over the perpetrator. It's never happened.

Re: Ireland wants to give its cops spyware, ability to crack encrypted messages

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Post by komali2 »

Aunche wrote: post #83
anigbrowl wrote: post #76

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That only punishes the taxpayers after all. I am sick to the back teeth of this narrative that all grievances can be resolved into currency and that paying this hurts taxpayers. We can jail negligent or reckless public officials, the financial costs of investigating and compensating people are an economic incentive to promulgate better standards in the first place.

> I am sick to the back teeth of this narrative that all grievances can be resolved into currency and that paying this hurts taxpayers. I don't understand. This seems contradictory. If the problem is that we're trying to resolve too many grievances with currency, then doing so does nothing but hurt the taxpayer. Americans are already significantly more litigious against police, yet you get significantly more miscondu…

I believe they means, the consequence of the lawsuit can be the cop going to jail.

Re: Ireland wants to give its cops spyware, ability to crack encrypted messages

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Post by komali2 »

alistairSH wrote: post #100
JasonADrury wrote: post #70

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In the Chauvin case all three of the bystanders were sent to prison by federal courts specifically for civil rights violations stemming from their failure to intervene as Derek Chauvin murdered George Floyd in front of them.

QI applies to civil cases. IIRC, Chauvin didn’t face a civil case and was not made to pay damages for violations of anybody’s rights. Nor did the other officers. If a cop violates your rights, you just have to pray the DA will prosecute criminal charges. But you still won’t get an monetary damages from the cop. You might talk the state into settling.

> you just have to pray the DA will prosecute criminal charges.

Cynically this probably only happened in the Chauvin case because the state would have been burned to the ground otherwise.

Maybe folks need to get in the street more...

Re: Ireland wants to give its cops spyware, ability to crack encrypted messages

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Post by john-h-k »

monster_truck wrote: post #72
clickety_clack wrote: post #61

There’s a massive lack of gardai (the Irish word for police) in Ireland, and you’ll be waiting for the better part of an hour if you call them. But by all means, let’s forget about the types of basic “safety in your own home” type of policing and focus on creating a cyberpolice force instead.

I know you want to think, or have been told to think that the reason this happens is because they need more cops. Brother let me assure you, more cops will not help. I have lived in cities with more than twice as many cops per 10k. Both times I actually needed one it took over 3 hours. They were never intended to provide basic safety to you in your home. That's your job. Their job is to deal with what comes after tha…

> They were never intended to provide basic safety to you in your home.

Uh actually i do think police presence has a deterrent effect on crime. In fact, number of police on the street is one of the strongest measures for reducing crime!

Re: Ireland wants to give its cops spyware, ability to crack encrypted messages

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Post by komali2 »

TacticalCoder wrote: post #97
budududuroiu wrote: post #8

Whenever these people ask for more power in order to "stop/prevent crime", there should be a bot that replies a list of times when the police didn't act to stop crime, despite having full knowledge of the crime occuring and potential to stop it from happening. EU member and supporter of Chat Control, Romania, had a massive scandal where a kidnapped 15 year old girl called emergency services multiple times to report s…

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> To not "demonize" a particular community where a sizeable percentage (in at least one city the number of 30% of all pakistani muslim men involved in the rapes has been mentioned) of its members happens to think that raping infidels ain't rape.

These accusations keep happening, but the whole "why didn't this get investigated" thing was investigated, and the answer is no, investigations weren't throttled because of woke, in fact the machinery of justice operated just about the same as it always does for sexual assault cases: poorly. Also there's been quite a few investigation and convictions.

Re: Ireland wants to give its cops spyware, ability to crack encrypted messages

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Post by betty_staples »

throwaway85825 wrote: post #92
bell-cot wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you see two police on the corner and think... Not to speak highly of the NYPD - but it is the character of most violent criminals to refrain from attacking you when police officers are standing close at hand.

There's a famous video of an apple store robbery and the thief walks past a cop on the way out. Police don't do anything anymore.

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Re: Ireland wants to give its cops spyware, ability to crack encrypted messages

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Post by thatguy0900 »

LtWorf wrote: post #94
thatguy0900 wrote: post #85

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Intelligence agencies have seen the writing on the wall with allowing hostile countries unfettered access to their own citizens minds on social media for a while, I would imagine

You actually mean you want to abolish freedom of speech. Sure. But then we lose the moral high ground of going to wars because we have democracy.

I don't want to do anything. I think it's a problem with no moral solution. When Elon turned on location data in Twitter and everyone saw all the homegrown American Maga influencer accounts were foreign it should have opened eyes but Noone really cared. You have a choice between closing the internet or letting them brain rot your populace in the open. It's not a theoretical power, nato and the US European led world order is on the cliff of dissolving and none of our adverseries had to fire a single shot at us.

Re: Ireland wants to give its cops spyware, ability to crack encrypted messages

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Post by LtWorf »

thatguy0900 wrote: post #108
LtWorf wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You actually mean you want to abolish freedom of speech. Sure. But then we lose the moral high ground of going to wars because we have democracy.

I don't want to do anything. I think it's a problem with no moral solution. When Elon turned on location data in Twitter and everyone saw all the homegrown American Maga influencer accounts were foreign it should have opened eyes but Noone really cared. You have a choice between closing the internet or letting them brain rot your populace in the open. It's not a theoretical power, nato and the US European led world o…

You can't see me but i rolled my eyes.

Re: Ireland wants to give its cops spyware, ability to crack encrypted messages

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Post by JasonADrury »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #89
dmitrygr wrote: post #86

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Let me guess, dispatcher was NOT publicly prosecuted and jailed for life as accessory to murder?

Being bad at your job isn't the same as being an accessory. But then again, doctors can be arrested for being bad at their job. As well as lawyers losing their license to practice. Maybe that's a standard we should hold to our supposed "public servants".

>Being bad at your job isn't the same as being an accessory.

Deliberately refusing to intervene when you have a duty to do so kind of is though, at least in a moral sense.

Although, reading the transcript in that article through a translator, it does not seem all that bad. The taxi comment is very early in the conversation, and the operator does immediately offer to send a patrol car to her home.

The operator also stays on the line, keeps collecting more information and does really not seem to do anything obviously wrong.

Even if they'd immediately acquiesced to her request to send a patrol car to drive her home, the car probably wouldn't have been there on time anyway.

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