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Around 1,500 soldiers on standby for deployment to Minneapolis

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Re: Around 1,500 soldiers on standby for deployment to Minneapolis

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Post by quantummagic »

Cornbilly wrote: post #100
quantummagic wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can pretend all you want. The proof is in the reality of what we see. Mass illegal immigration is not a center-right or even left position. It's a "far left" position that has had enough political power to be enforced for years now.

The Libertarian Party advocates for free and open immigration. Are you going to sit here and tell us that the Libertarians are far-left?

That's the most disingenuous argument yet, that completely ignores reality.

The libertarian party does NOT advocate for illegal immigration today. Only once NAP-violating governments are abolished, do they contend that the harmful effects of unconstrained immigration are non-existent. They argue that if you want complete freedom of movement, you must first give up all claim to nonconsensual government force, including taxation and redistribution of wealth. And even the most radical of libertarians include a "non-aggression" exception. They support screening to exclude violent criminals, security threats, and health risks. All of which are impossible if there is no monitoring or reasonable enforcement.

You know _damn well_ that in the context of actual politics in America as they stand TODAY, open immigration is a FAR LEFT position. It's undeniable to anyone arguing in good faith.

Re: Around 1,500 soldiers on standby for deployment to Minneapolis

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Post by tomhow »

CrulesAll wrote: post #51
secretsatan wrote: post #43

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Even the trump administration can’t find evidence

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You both broke the guidelines badly in this thread. This kind of battle is exactly what we don't want on HN, and the fact that people can't stop themselves from having them is the very reason why we can't often have discussions about politics on HN.

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Re: Around 1,500 soldiers on standby for deployment to Minneapolis

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Post by tomhow »

secretsatan wrote: post #63
CrulesAll wrote: post #51

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They’re not expecting to raise real Americans wages, they’re just going to lower their expectations

You both broke the guidelines badly in this thread. This kind of battle is exactly what we don't want on HN, and the fact that people can't stop themselves from having them is the very reason why we can't often have discussions about politics on HN.

HN is for curious conversation, not this, and the only reason anyone thinks HN is a place for having good discussions is because others make the effort to raise the standards rather than drag them down. If you can't participate on HN without doing it in this style, please find somewhere else to get this energy out of your system.

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Re: Around 1,500 soldiers on standby for deployment to Minneapolis

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Post by vkou »

colechristensen wrote: post #92
vkou wrote: post #68

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> The politics of fear stoked by two sets of extremists egging eachother on is the core reason we're in this mess, How could you possibly think that the establishment dems that have formed government are 'a set of extremists'?

I'm mostly writing about the electorate here.

Except that the 'radical left' part of the electorate holds ~0 sway over the people who actually get elected. The 'radical right', on the other hand, has fully purged the GOP of anyone who isn't with their program through either primaries, or the fear of getting primaried.

It's not comparable.

Re: Around 1,500 soldiers on standby for deployment to Minneapolis

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Post by beedeebeedee »

thesuperbigfrog wrote: post #97
rolph wrote: post #75

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yes, the present national guard is very much a government entity, and held to the same training standards as federal armed forces. they regularily hold joint training. the people at large however are not prevented from forming a militia or a posse, or volunteering to be deputized by a local police force. the common element is that they are responding to a domestic threat originated from government activities. the ori…

Many US states also have a state guard that is under the sole control of the state government: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_defense_force These forces are distinct from the state's National Guard and cannot be federalized.

Yes, but these state militia units would not be capable of offering much resistance to any federal forces (I was a trooper in the CT Governor’s Horse Guard. My company did have some guns, and we got a little bit of firearms training, but nothing compared to the National Guard or Army).

Re: Around 1,500 soldiers on standby for deployment to Minneapolis

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

colechristensen wrote: post #30
cheema33 wrote: post #16

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You may not have meant to excuse the sad state we are in by presenting the "both sides are bad" argument. But it does have a strong whiff of it. Both sides are bad. No doubt about it. It has always been that way. But, one side takes being bad to a whole new level. Our choice has always been between bad and less bad. The voters decided to pull the lever for "massively bad" during the last presidential election because…

The politics of fear stoked by two sets of extremists egging eachother on is the core reason we're in this mess, the failure to reject both simultaneously and the desire to rule with feelings instead of facts caused it all. I'm not a "whatabout" guy, I'm actively opposed to both extremes. The far left is just as capable of ruling with violence as the far right, they just haven't got the opportunity in this country ye…

USA doesn't even have a centre-left, let alone an extremist left. Looks to be ultra-capitalist right wing and fascist right-wing.

Re: Around 1,500 soldiers on standby for deployment to Minneapolis

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Post by mapotofu »

the__alchemist wrote: post #10

As a veteran, I have optimism these active duty military troops will recognize their duty. "I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic". ICE is the best example of a domestic enemy I have seen.

Where does this optimism come from? Having worked with many veterans I doubt their actual commitment to the constitution over their commitment to “patriotism”, something which seems to include taking pleasure in hurting their neighbors.

This kind of talk is needlessly optimistic. We’ve already seen how you all are, or there would’ve been more action from you all in stopping us from getting where we are now.

Give us a break from the military worship BS. Most veterans don’t have the gall to stand up against this sort of thing and we all know it.

Re: Around 1,500 soldiers on standby for deployment to Minneapolis

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Post by pseudohadamard »

jaybrendansmith wrote: post #53

This is setting things up for a real conflict. Protesters, National Guard called by Walz, Troops coming in. I am absolutely certain the 1500 soldiers going in are hand-selected MAGA morons. Checkmate ... martial law declared!

In similar situations overseas the dictatorship's troops have sometimes been stopped by civilians blocking their path and putting flowers into their rifle barrels. It really depends on how far the dictatorship has managed to split the troops away from the civilians they're supposed to be protecting. The IRGC is an extreme example of that.
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