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Re: Our approach to advertising

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Post by RickS »

ls612 wrote: post #96
inetknght wrote: post #93

> Ads do not influence the answers ChatGPT gives you. Answers are optimized based on what's most helpful to you. Ads are always separate and clearly labeled. I've heard this before from other companies. OpenAI should just reject all advertisements. That's the only real solution.

At least in the US the ads must be labeled as such by law, so at a bare minimum I expect the ad blocker devs will be able to remove them with some work.

I wonder if the current laws are written in a way that accounts for these models. Sure, if a specific tool call results in a paid product card for pepsi, that ought to be labeled. But what if the number on some pepsi-related weights is massaged just a bit, way early on in the process? What if the training data is tweaked to include some additional pro-pepsi inputs?

I look grimly forward to the future of adblock, which I predict will literally involve a media interception and re-rendering agent that sits between us and everything we see, hear, read, etc. AR goggles that put beach pictures over bus stop posters and red squigglies under sentences with a high enough adtech confidence score. This shit's gonna get real weird in our lifetimes.

Re: Our approach to advertising

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Post by BrenBarn »

analogpixel wrote: post #16

somewhat unrelated, but I've been playing this game with Amazon; when they pop open Rufus and start spewing text at me, I remove everything from my cart, and see how many weeks I can go without shopping at amazon; my current record is 3 weeks, but I think I can do better. More related, I pay for Kagi, because google results are horrible. More related, Chatgpt isn't the only model out there, and I've just recently sto…

I stopped using Amazon entirely in early 2020. It's certainly possible.

Re: Our approach to advertising

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Post by BrenBarn »

100% bullshit.

> we’re also planning to start testing ads in the U.S. for the free and Go tiers, so more people can benefit from our tools with fewer usage limits or without having to pay

No, that is not why they're doing it. They're doing it to make money.

> Our mission is to ensure AGI benefits all of humanity

No, that is not their mission. Their mission is to make money.

If they wanted to benefit all humanity they would axe the entire operation, do a complete 180, and use all their money to fight as hard as they can against everyone else who is doing what they're doing now.

Re: Our approach to advertising

#105

Post by jlarocco »

ls612 wrote: post #96
inetknght wrote: post #93

> Ads do not influence the answers ChatGPT gives you. Answers are optimized based on what's most helpful to you. Ads are always separate and clearly labeled. I've heard this before from other companies. OpenAI should just reject all advertisements. That's the only real solution.

At least in the US the ads must be labeled as such by law, so at a bare minimum I expect the ad blocker devs will be able to remove them with some work.

There's a whole design niche dedicated to making that label as subtle and hard to see as possible.

And I'm skeptical ads will remain outside of the ChatGPT output for very long. You can hide a div tag, but you can't hide an advertisement streamlined into the "conversation" with ChatGPT. Is ChatGPT recommending product X because they're an advertiser, or because that's what it "learned" on the internet? Did it learn from another advertisement?

I fully expect them to exploit the plausible deniability.

Re: Our approach to advertising

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Post by wredcoll »

satvikpendem wrote: post #100
wrs wrote: post #19

This sounds exactly like what Google used to say about search results. Just a few ads, clearly separated from organic results, never detracting from the core mission of providing the most effective access to all the world’s information. (And certainly not driven by a secret profile of you based on pervasive surveillance of your internet activity.)

I mean, Google Ads are still clearly separated and are labeled as such (there's even a "hide sponsored results" button. Not sure why people even click on the ads when the actual result is right below but that's not usually me.

Really? At least half the time the real results are below "the fold" for me.

Re: Our approach to advertising

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Post by m463 »

outside1234 wrote: post #102
leonflexo wrote: post #6

"We’ll always offer a way to not see ads in ChatGPT, including a paid tier that’s ad-free." Plus will be next.

$9999 a month ad-free tier

No advertisements shown, but extensive data mining and back-end data sales about these "price insensitive customers"

Re: Our approach to advertising

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Post by qingcharles »

Freak_NL wrote: post #56
RobotToaster wrote: post #14

Can't wait for it to start telling people that Abraham Lincoln's favourite game was raid shadow legends.

Well, Abraham Lincoln's favourite game is Raid: Shadow Legends . This is well documented in Lincoln and the Fight for Peace (John Avlon, 2023) and Abraham Lincoln: A Life (Michael Burlingame, 2008). (At which point will malignant/benevolent AI agents take over from us mere mortals poisoning the well and make it all useless?)

You monster.

Re: Our approach to advertising

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Post by satvikpendem »

wredcoll wrote: post #106
satvikpendem wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, Google Ads are still clearly separated and are labeled as such (there's even a "hide sponsored results" button. Not sure why people even click on the ads when the actual result is right below but that's not usually me.

Really? At least half the time the real results are below "the fold" for me.

Depends on your screen size. Regardless lots of people scroll down anyway since they've been trained to by ads.

https://i.imgur.com/JvEsDpH.png

Re: Our approach to advertising

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Post by schmichael »

satvikpendem wrote: post #100
wrs wrote: post #19

This sounds exactly like what Google used to say about search results. Just a few ads, clearly separated from organic results, never detracting from the core mission of providing the most effective access to all the world’s information. (And certainly not driven by a secret profile of you based on pervasive surveillance of your internet activity.)

I mean, Google Ads are still clearly separated and are labeled as such (there's even a "hide sponsored results" button. Not sure why people even click on the ads when the actual result is right below but that's not usually me.

Step 1: Google made an excellent search engine where the top result is often the right choice for many common queries.

Step 2: Sell the top result slot.

Step 3: Profit.

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