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Re: Tldraw pauses external contributions due to AI slop

#101

We've enjoyed a certain period (at least a couple of decades) of global, anonymous collaboration that seems to be ending. Trust in the individual is going to become more important in many areas of life, from open-source to journalism and job interviews.

> Trust in the individual is going to become more important in many areas of life, from open-source to journalism and job interviews.

I'd add science here too.

Re: Tldraw pauses external contributions due to AI slop

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In these cases AI writing the code is pure gain. no, it isn't. unless the generated code is just a few lines long, and all you are doing is effectively autocompletion, you have to go through the generated code with a fine toothed comb to be sure it actually does what you think it should do and there are no typos. if you don't, you are fooling yourself.

> with a fine toothed comb to be sure it actually does what you think it should do and there are no typos. if you don't, you are fooling yourself so the exact same thing you should be doing in code reviews anyway?

kind of, except that when i review a code submission to my project i can eventually learn to trust the submitter, once i realize they write good code. a code review is to develop that trust. AI code should never earn that trust, and any code review should always be treated like it it is from a first time submitter that i have never met before. the risk is that does not happen, and that we believe AI code submissions will develop like those of a real human. they won't. we'll develop a false sense of security, a false sense of trust. instead we should always be on guard.

and as i wrote in my other comment, reviewing the code of a junior developer includes the satisfaction of helping that developer grow through my feedback. AI will never grow. there is no satisfaction in reviewing its code. instead it feels like a sisyphusian task, because the AI will make the same mistakes over and over again, and make mistakes a human would be very unlikely to make. unlike human code with AI code you have to expect the unexpected.

Re: Tldraw pauses external contributions due to AI slop

#103

We've enjoyed a certain period (at least a couple of decades) of global, anonymous collaboration that seems to be ending. Trust in the individual is going to become more important in many areas of life, from open-source to journalism and job interviews.

I've been trying to manifest Web of Trust coming back to help people navigate towards content that's created by humans. A system where I can mark other people as trusted and see who they trust, so when I navigate to a web page or in this case, a Github pull request, my WoT would tell me if this is a trusted person according to my network.

Trust and do what with it though. I trust Chomsky but I can mark his interviews "Don't show" because I'm sick of them. Or like Facebook lets your follow 'friend' but ignore them. So trust and do what with that trust? A network of people who'll let each other move on short notice ? Something like that?

Re: Tldraw pauses external contributions due to AI slop

#104

We've enjoyed a certain period (at least a couple of decades) of global, anonymous collaboration that seems to be ending. Trust in the individual is going to become more important in many areas of life, from open-source to journalism and job interviews.

I've been trying to manifest Web of Trust coming back to help people navigate towards content that's created by humans. A system where I can mark other people as trusted and see who they trust, so when I navigate to a web page or in this case, a Github pull request, my WoT would tell me if this is a trusted person according to my network.

I've been thinking this exact thing! But it's too abstract a thought for me to try creating anything yet.

A curation network, one which uses SSL-style chain-of-trust (and RSS-style feeds maybe?) seems like it could be a solution, but I'm not able to advance the thought from just being an amorphous idea.

Re: Tldraw pauses external contributions due to AI slop

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Trust in the real world is not immutable. It is constantly re-evaluated. So the Web of Trust concept should do this as well. Also, there needs to be some significant consequence to people who are bad actors and, transitively, to people who trust bad actors. The hardest part isn’t figuring out how to cut off the low quality nodes. It’s how to incentivize people to join a network where the consequences are so high that…

I really don't want to expand the surveillance state...

Are GPG signing parties part of the “surveillance state”?

It is the exact thing this system needs

Re: Tldraw pauses external contributions due to AI slop

#107

A LinkedIn comment I made on an adjacent topic: > If the job market is unfavourable to juniors, become senior. That requires networking with a depth deep enough that other professionals are willing to critique your work. So... open-source contributions, I guess? This increases pressure on senior developers who are the current maintainers of open-source packages at the same time that AI is stealing the attention econo…

> If the job market is unfavourable to juniors, become senior.

That’s just the regular LinkedIn nonsense. Very few people have the time and other resources to become seniors while unemployed. On top of that, it’s still unlikely that they’ll pass the HR filter without senior positions on their resumes, regardless of their actual knowledge.

Re: Tldraw pauses external contributions due to AI slop

#108

We've enjoyed a certain period (at least a couple of decades) of global, anonymous collaboration that seems to be ending. Trust in the individual is going to become more important in many areas of life, from open-source to journalism and job interviews.

I've been trying to manifest Web of Trust coming back to help people navigate towards content that's created by humans. A system where I can mark other people as trusted and see who they trust, so when I navigate to a web page or in this case, a Github pull request, my WoT would tell me if this is a trusted person according to my network.

The problem is that even the people I would happily take advise from when meeting in real life, occasionally mindlessly copy AI-output about subjects they don't know about. And they see nothing wrong with it.

Re: Tldraw pauses external contributions due to AI slop

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Sure, it's true today. Entertain the hypothetical though because this is what the trillion dollar rush is aspiring to do in the near future. We should be thinking about our answers now.

Answers to what? Do I care what tools the artist use as long I get the results I want? I don't understand what you see as the issue, that I somehow think I'd be working with a human but it was a machine?

A deceit isn't the issue. The issue is that person you're paying is going to be undercut this year by machines, along with probably 100M other people selling their labor.
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