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The chess bot on Delta Air Lines will destroy you (2024) [video]

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Re: The chess bot on Delta Air Lines will destroy you (2024) [video]

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Post by taftster »

jfaat wrote: post #97

I see some chess players so I want to plug the chess coaching app [0] I'm building. I don't know many chess players and could use feedback, but I had been paying for chess.com premium and tried some others and it's always game-level feedback which is insane to me because it's really not that helpful (as evidenced by my abysmal rating.) I'm running games through stockfish/lc0/Maia and doing some analysis of patterns a…

I'm going to check this out, as it's legitimately attempting to solve the gap in online chess coaches. As said on the home page, I don't want to know what to play, I want to know why I'm not seeing it or how to think about the move differently. This is the gap and I hope you find success. I'm definitely going to check it out.

Re: The chess bot on Delta Air Lines will destroy you (2024) [video]

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Post by TomatoCo »

tantalor wrote: post #42
tromp wrote: post #33

Sometimes the airlines chess app gives you the option to play another passenger, but even after waiting for half an hour I've never been hooked up with another player. Has anyone else been able to?

The best part about this is sneaking a look at your opponents screen if you are lucky enough to sit behind them.

Ah, the Zap Brannigan school.

Re: The chess bot on Delta Air Lines will destroy you (2024) [video]

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Post by taftster »

jfaat wrote: post #97

I see some chess players so I want to plug the chess coaching app [0] I'm building. I don't know many chess players and could use feedback, but I had been paying for chess.com premium and tried some others and it's always game-level feedback which is insane to me because it's really not that helpful (as evidenced by my abysmal rating.) I'm running games through stockfish/lc0/Maia and doing some analysis of patterns a…

But to ask, did you consider "chessfriend" instead of "chessfiend" for branding? "fiend" can carry a negative connotation, which I'm not particularly lining up with in your product.

Re: The chess bot on Delta Air Lines will destroy you (2024) [video]

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Post by Jach »

sbrother wrote: post #17
markgall wrote: post #8

Is this really true? I played a few games with it in August. It's not very good. It's one of those old programs where 95% of the moves are pretty strong. But if you just do nothing and sit back it will occasionally make a random blunder and then you grind it out. I figured it's how they were able to weaken a chess engine back in the day; can't adjust the overall strength, so add random blunders. I'm only about 2000 o…

1. Uh, isn't 2000 like extremely fucking good? 2. I played a chess bot on Delta on easy and it was really bad, felt like random moves. I beat it trivially and I am actually bad at chess, ~1000 on chess.com. I wonder if this one is different?

This was my experience on a long Delta flight, I don't remember if I picked easy or not but it was laughably bad. I took its lunch money for a game and then turned the screen off. I was mostly irritated by the horrible touch interface, it felt so laggy among other issues. (I don't have a ranking, I barely play these days and usually just in person, but my memory says around 1400 back in the yahoo chess days as a teen but it's probably closer to 1000 now.)

Re: The chess bot on Delta Air Lines will destroy you (2024) [video]

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Post by chasil »

bink wrote: post #53
shermantanktop wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends. How’s the Amtrak chess bot?

Underfunded and constantly side-tracked by cargo bots.

...and the Murderbots that have disabled their governor modules.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Murderbot_Diaries

Re: The chess bot on Delta Air Lines will destroy you (2024) [video]

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Post by jfaat »

taftster wrote: post #103
jfaat wrote: post #97

I see some chess players so I want to plug the chess coaching app [0] I'm building. I don't know many chess players and could use feedback, but I had been paying for chess.com premium and tried some others and it's always game-level feedback which is insane to me because it's really not that helpful (as evidenced by my abysmal rating.) I'm running games through stockfish/lc0/Maia and doing some analysis of patterns a…

But to ask, did you consider "chessfriend" instead of "chessfiend" for branding? "fiend" can carry a negative connotation, which I'm not particularly lining up with in your product.

I hadn't considered that name specifically but I'm not married to the branding! I appreciate that feedback and your other comment validating I'm not the only person with this problem. Happy to chat more via email (in bio)

Re: The chess bot on Delta Air Lines will destroy you (2024) [video]

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Post by shermantanktop »

runarberg wrote: post #95
shermantanktop wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends. How’s the Amtrak chess bot?

I think the Amtrak way is to bring a physical chess board and challenge human strangers over a nice cup of coffee in the observation car.

The Puget Sound ferries often have a partially-done jigsaw puzzle on one of the tables. You can't finish it in 30m, so people come and do their part and move on. Eventually someone will put in the last piece, I guess, I've never seen it happen.

Re: The chess bot on Delta Air Lines will destroy you (2024) [video]

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Post by monster_truck »

microtherion wrote: post #82
monster_truck wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AFAIK the only reason Chess even ships at all anymore is as a burn utility. They'll set it to AI vs AI at max difficulty to stress the system and make sure the cooling/power management works.

Never heard that one (it may indeed be used that way, but if it were the only reason Apple would probably keep it in the Apple internal parts of their OS installs). It would also be of limited use, as the engine is purely CPU based; it is single threaded and does not even use SIMD AFAIK, let alone GPU features or the neural engines.

It can't be deleted because it's part of the system tools :)

Re: The chess bot on Delta Air Lines will destroy you (2024) [video]

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Post by Disparallel »

AnotherGoodName wrote: post #5

I wonder if they gave the chess bot X seconds of thinking time in an era when computers were slower? The way you set difficulty for turn based game ai is that you limit how far ahead the algorithm searches. If you set the lookahead based on compute time your difficulties will be way out of line if someone upgrades the CPU.

Getting more thinking time tends to give surprisingly small improvements to playing strength. For a classical alpha-beta search based engine, for a given ply (turn) you might have ~20 moves to consider each depth of the search tree. If you're trying to brute force search deeper, a 10x increase in compute time or power doesn't even let you search an extra ply.

Elo gains for engines tend to come from better evaluation, better pruning, and better search heuristics. That's not to say that longer search time or a stronger CPU doesn't help, it just doesn't magically make a weak engine into a strong engine.

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