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Re: Google AI Studio is now sponsoring Tailwind CSS

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If your business can easily get destroyed by AI, then the problem is your business model.

Which business is 100% not at risk in the next 10 years?

Farming, livestock, arms, school/nursery, medicine, construction, real estate, finance. Basically anything rooted in the physical world and elemental services.

Re: Google AI Studio is now sponsoring Tailwind CSS

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I love tailwind, but I think it’s disingenuous for Adam to claim that “AI” killed the tailwind UI kit business. Ultimately it was Radix/Shadcn (which uses tailwind for styling of course) that killed the need to buy Tailwind’s UI kits by offering all these primitives with good default styling for free. Also, the tailwind UI stuff feels pretty dated at this point in comparison to what’s offered in other free UI librari…

Agreed. Also if they had really been trying to drive ARR, they would have made Tailwind UI a subscription/yearly licensing thing instead of a one-time purchase.

There's a reason companies like Adobe/Microsoft switched away from one-time purchase software, and that reason is that it is exhausting and eventually impossible to sustain a business where you have to hunt for brand new customers every single month just to keep the lights on.

Re: Google AI Studio is now sponsoring Tailwind CSS

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This is good, but it doesn't necessarily mean that Tailwind is out of the financial difficulty that we talked about yesterday. You can sponsor Tailwind for as little as $6,000/year. 29 companies were already sponsoring Tailwind including 16 companies at the $60,000/year level. Maybe Google AI Studio has decided to shell out a lot more, but it could also be a relatively small sponsorship compared to the $1.1M in spons…

No ill will towards the team, but isn’t it almost absurd that a CSS library is funded to the tune of 1m+ yearly and is still in financial difficulty? It is technically complete. There is no major research work or churn like in React, no monstruous complexity like Webpack.

Re: Google AI Studio is now sponsoring Tailwind CSS

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I hope things work out for Tailwind. I think it is very decent of Google to do this. Obviously Google takes some heat for their business model but when I was invited to work at Google in 2013 I thought the company had a definite vibe of trying to do the right thing in several dimensions (e.g., renewable energy for data centers).

Re: Google AI Studio is now sponsoring Tailwind CSS

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I think it'd be better for AI and web dev if AIs generated real CSS instead. The supposed difficulty of tracking from elements to classes to rulesets is something that AIs can easily handle, and being able to change a ruleset once and have the update apply to all use sites is really good for AI-driven changes. Plus, humans and AIs won't have to wait for Tailwind to adopt new CSS features as they are added. If the AI…

I really don’t understand this idea that seems to be prevalent to let the LLM generate everything from scratch instead of using existing battle tested frameworks. Be it for css or backend code. Good modular design of software and separation of concern are still important for debugging and lifecycle. For (instructing) the llm it will also be easier if it uses frameworks as the resulting code of the project itself will…

CSS simply doesn't need a framework - there's no "from scratch". For humans or LLM authors.

Tailwind is a lot of overhead conceptually and tooling wise to just not have to write classnames, and it's actually anti-modular.

Re: Google AI Studio is now sponsoring Tailwind CSS

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Google has poured untold millions into open source over the last couple of decades, not just by sponsorships, but also by employing contributors, etc. I don't think that'll change with AI. They just needed to be reminded about the financials of Tailwind and I'm sure it was an easy conversation internally.

> Google has poured untold millions into open source over the last couple of decades, not just by sponsorships, but also by employing contributors, etc. And Google has profited untold hundreds of billions of open source over the last couple of decades. They just need to be reminded of it. Edit: Haha, getting downvoted! Never underestimate the power of tens of thousands of Googlers on HN... Look, I use Gmail, Google m…

I think you are getting downvoted because your claim that “without Linux, Java and webkit it wouldn't exist” doesn’t pass the smell test. If Linux didn’t exist, maybe Google will just use one of the BSDs. If Java didn’t exist perhaps Google would just write more code in C++ instead; I’m pretty sure it still has more lines of C++ than Java. Or maybe Go would get invented a few years earlier. And if WebKit didn’t exist maybe Google would just fork KHTML themselves rather than forking a fork of KHTML. A lot of open source software appeared at the right time to be dominant, but without them other different open source software might dominate. But your argument isn’t about what if the entire OSS movement didn’t exist. It’s about what if specific OSS didn’t exist.

Re: Google AI Studio is now sponsoring Tailwind CSS

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I think it'd be better for AI and web dev if AIs generated real CSS instead. The supposed difficulty of tracking from elements to classes to rulesets is something that AIs can easily handle, and being able to change a ruleset once and have the update apply to all use sites is really good for AI-driven changes. Plus, humans and AIs won't have to wait for Tailwind to adopt new CSS features as they are added. If the AI…

Counter-argument: the cascade in CSS was a massive design mistake and it shows even more in this particular case. With LLM-assisted development you spend more time reading and reviewing the generated code. The cascade in styles is nowhere near as readily apparent as something like Tailwind.

If you're arguing down that route, LLMs can bulk-apply style attributes exactly where they're needed. Every element precisely described, no need for CSS and style-sheets at all.

Re: Google AI Studio is now sponsoring Tailwind CSS

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Which business is 100% not at risk in the next 10 years?

Farming, livestock, arms, school/nursery, medicine, construction, real estate, finance. Basically anything rooted in the physical world and elemental services.

I'd agree with medicine, school/nursery, real estate, and finance but mostly because in those industries the ability to connect with clients at a human level is often more valuable than sheer talent.

With farming/livestock, pretty much all of that can become automated. And even in the previous human-centric sectors, there are definitely roles that will be replaced by AI, even if the sector as a whole continues to employ a lot of people.

Take law, for instance. Due to the prevalence of bar associations (which will likely prevent AI from doing lawyers' jobs), AI will never be a lawyer. However, many lawyers have and continue to replace paralegals with AI.

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