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Re: Iran Goes Into IPv6 Blackout

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Post by Qwertious »

aprilthird2021 wrote: post #86
uyzstvqs wrote: post #37

Can't wait for a certain dictator to get a cellmate, so that our Persian and Kurdish friends can have freedom, including free unrestricted internet access. And for fellow HN users from there, here's some great stuff: https://yggdrasil-network.github.io/ https://bitchat.free/

The Kurdish separatists and militants allied with the wrong country and they have very little chance of a state of their own. Iranians though, sure, things can change with or without the current govt

>The Kurdish separatists and militants allied with the wrong country

Which country is that? Last I checked, the Kurds were helping out the US a couple of years ago and got absolutely screwed.

Re: Iran Goes Into IPv6 Blackout

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Post by [deleted] »

mcintyre1994 wrote: post #74
zamadatix wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The original claim: > The biography, due out on Tuesday, alleges Musk ordered Starlink engineers to turn off service in the area of the attack because of his concern that Vladimir Putin would respond with nuclear weapons to a Ukrainian attack on Russian-occupied Crimea. He is reported to have said that Ukraine was “going too far” in threatening to inflict a “strategic defeat” on the Kremlin. The amendment on the arti…

They link to their updated reporting: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/sep/12/elon-musk-biog... > On Friday, Isaacson tweeted a clarification, writing that “the Ukrainians THOUGHT coverage was enabled all the way to Crimea, but it was not. They asked Musk to enable it for their drone sub attack on the Russian fleet. Musk did not enable it, because he thought, probably correctly, that would cause a major war.” >…

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Re: Iran Goes Into IPv6 Blackout

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Post by helloaltalt »

rvnx wrote: post #71
throw0101d wrote: post #55

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But isn’t Iran under sanctions? Do sanctions not apply when you are the richest man in the world ?

I hate the guy but I will genuinely let it pass if this means that we outside people can know what the fuck is actually happening at ground level in Iran and starlink adds even a 0.1% contribution to it.

I hate Elon a lot. but I will hold my grudge some other day if that means that starlink can help outside world to know more and raise internal resistance and support.

Edit: thanks for the downvotes team, turns out that the world is really short and I was reading an forbes article sent to me by someone in here and Ima quote it

The protests inspired the U.S. Treasury and State Departments to provide an exception to sanctions for communications services, and three days later, Musk turned on Starlink service in Iran.

“It requires the use of terminals in-country, which I suspect the government will not support, but if anyone can get terminals into Iran, they will work,” he said at the time. Musk and SpaceX did not respond to a comment request.

So tldr: US made special exception considering the protests (the protests are of the "People had taken to the streets over the police killing of 22-year-old Mahsa"

Re: Iran Goes Into IPv6 Blackout

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Post by [deleted] »

bpavuk wrote: post #72
zamadatix wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The original claim: > The biography, due out on Tuesday, alleges Musk ordered Starlink engineers to turn off service in the area of the attack because of his concern that Vladimir Putin would respond with nuclear weapons to a Ukrainian attack on Russian-occupied Crimea. He is reported to have said that Ukraine was “going too far” in threatening to inflict a “strategic defeat” on the Kremlin. The amendment on the arti…

there are enough Ukrainian sources that did not retract the claim. one of them might point to the original source outside Guardian, but I'm too lazy to search ¯ \ _ ( ツ ) _ / ¯ you might start with Mezha, Channel 24, and TSN. arm yourself with a translator.

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Re: Iran Goes Into IPv6 Blackout

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Post by BenjiWiebe »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #63
tuhgdetzhh wrote: post #45

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Isn't it possible to jam the starlink receiver?

I've got to think it's easy to find starlink receivers--I know they use a directed beam but they must give off a bunch of lateral noise, right? Or does Starlink use the same frequency bands as other common equipment such that it would be difficult to distinguish starlink signals from others? If the government was motivated they could surely start finding these receivers, right?

Well the better your beam is directed, the less lateral noise there is.

A simple 3 element yagi has <1% of the power to the sides. It has more of the power straight behind it, but still 1% or so of the main lobe.

Re: Iran Goes Into IPv6 Blackout

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Post by scottyah »

helloaltalt wrote: post #76
burkaman wrote: post #69

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There are ~100,000 users, about 0.1% of the population: https://www.newsweek.com/starlink-usage-iran-skyrockets-brea... Compare that to the number of cell phone users which is very close to 100%. All estimates of the number of mobile subscribers or number of mobile phone numbers are greater than the total population.

How are there so many users, see my other comment but i will ask here as well but starlink's american company and sanctioned iran so how do the details really work? And how do starlink recievers enter the country in the first place? This is good that there is still a way to get censorship resistance even after all this perhaps joining it with other protocols which can work via bluetooth,wifi etc. and are more secure…

As long as starlink isn't forced to geofence an area, anyone can buy a terminal anywhere and smuggle it in as any other drug or contraband. The mini's are about the same size as a laptop

Re: Iran Goes Into IPv6 Blackout

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Post by everfrustrated »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #63
tuhgdetzhh wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't it possible to jam the starlink receiver?

I've got to think it's easy to find starlink receivers--I know they use a directed beam but they must give off a bunch of lateral noise, right? Or does Starlink use the same frequency bands as other common equipment such that it would be difficult to distinguish starlink signals from others? If the government was motivated they could surely start finding these receivers, right?

From what I read, the Russians were targeting Starlink terminals based on the built-in wifi access point not the Starlink frequencies.

Re: Iran Goes Into IPv6 Blackout

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Post by falaki »

helloaltalt wrote: post #73
GaggiX wrote: post #54

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They are almost completely inaccessible to the average Iranian. A friend of mine who has come a long way to fight Iranian censorship told me that they essentially don't exist.

They must be smuggled inside the country and the dictatorship can say anything they want and charge if they get caught so they must be very few in numbers I don't know too much about starlink but is there a way that someone can pay for other person's usage and then build a starlink receiver or something from spare parts or like easy accesible parts from the world? Because how would people get starlink device. I dont…

Yes, there are NGOs and organizations that sponsor these and pay for them. Here is an example: https://www.forbes.com/sites/cyrusfarivar/2024/12/18/inside-...

Re: Iran Goes Into IPv6 Blackout

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Post by pantalaimon »

helloaltalt wrote: post #73
GaggiX wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are almost completely inaccessible to the average Iranian. A friend of mine who has come a long way to fight Iranian censorship told me that they essentially don't exist.

They must be smuggled inside the country and the dictatorship can say anything they want and charge if they get caught so they must be very few in numbers I don't know too much about starlink but is there a way that someone can pay for other person's usage and then build a starlink receiver or something from spare parts or like easy accesible parts from the world? Because how would people get starlink device. I dont…

> is there a way that someone can pay for other person's usage and then build a starlink receiver or something from spare parts or like easy accesible parts from the world?

Starlink uses a pretty sophisticated phased array antenna, so not something you can easily build in your garage.

Re: Iran Goes Into IPv6 Blackout

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Post by anakaine »

switchbak wrote: post #88
uyzstvqs wrote: post #37

Can't wait for a certain dictator to get a cellmate, so that our Persian and Kurdish friends can have freedom, including free unrestricted internet access. And for fellow HN users from there, here's some great stuff: https://yggdrasil-network.github.io/ https://bitchat.free/

Sure, a US invasion of Iran would undoubtedly lead to good things. And how can you say the Kurds are friends of the USA (I'm presuming you mean friends of the USA) given how many times they've been abandoned? Just take a look at what happened to Libya, sometimes removing a "bad person" will cause a far worse situation to evolve. Like literal human slavery. I will never cease to be amazed at the amnesia that arises wh…

In Iran they have had several police forces join the protestors at this point. Hopefully its a theme that continues and includes the military.

It only takes about 30% of the population supporting the regime plus military intervention to hold onto power. For some time now it seems that they've been below the 30% mark.

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