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Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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Going through that link, it's hard to see where you came to that conclusion? It seems to have pretty reasonable dietary advice.

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> tells people to eat the food of another mammal's baby. This is the opposite of "reasonable" - it is actual government propaganda to support lobbied industry.

Oh, I was wondering where the part of your screed was gonna come out as crazy. Human consumption of dairy is thousands of years old.

Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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post #12

When this news first came out it was mind blowing, but at the same time I don't entirely get it. So the money quote seems to be: > The literature review heavily criticized studies linking sucrose to heart disease, while ignoring limitations of studies investigating dietary fats. They paid a total of 2 people $50,000 (edit: in 2016 dollars). That doesn't seem like enough to entirely shape worldwide discourse around nu…

> That doesn't seem like enough to entirely shape worldwide discourse around nutrition and sugar.

People are often surprised when they find out how little people sell out for. The going rate for a member of congress in 2015 was a little less [0] - about $43,000.

[0] https://truthout.org/articles/you-too-can-buy-a-congressman/

Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

#103

Sugar and fat are the same thing. Converts

There are processes that convert, but it's typically only small amounts. They aren't interchangable in effect.

depends on how fat you already are - if you are, 100% of it converts. For anyone that is addicted to sugar they are pretty much a fat person. The sugar industry is blaming themselves.

Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

#105
post #55

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They’re out there. I find it more productive to search for and financially support such businesses, rather than adopt the doomer pessimistic anticapitalism take. For example I just bought a Concept2 RowErg rowing machine. They sell literally every piece and part on their website so it’s end user repairable. The metrics integrate with a ton of apps, so you’re not locked into their app/ecosystem and there’s no subscrip…

>I find it more productive to search for and financially support such businesses, rather than adopt the doomer pessimistic anticapitalism take... But sadly, many order of magnitude more people would like to just make more money when invest. Which is why.. >Unfortunately a lot of these honest businesses are one generation away from potentially selling out everything the founders built, > rather than adopt the doomer p…

>many order of magnitude more people would like to just make more money when invest

Blame them (the consumers) then. This is like that silly Reddit/Twitter stat about 10% of companies creating 90% of global emissions… which the companies are doing in the process of making the shiny cell phones and laptops all the consumerists lambasting them are posting from, plus all the plastic crap they buy every day from Amazon.

The consumers are the ones demanding unchecked expansion of their consumption. As long as that demand exists, companies will find a way to fill it, whether they’re doing so in America or other countries. Privately held entities can’t allocate capital fast enough to keep up with the consumerists.

Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

#106
post #28

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..and you think those work?

If you do regulate. We currently have full regulatory capture in most industries and regulators that are doing their jobs are either hamstrung or the laws are so far behind the industries that they can’t or won’t work. The key to proper regulation is to keep money and influence from pooling at the top, making it difficult for any single person to buy enough influence. As it is, we have a dozen monopolies that should…

Regulations can work if bypassing the regulation in question does not open up a market that is large enough to keep paying off the regulators.

For example, if there is only one regulator for a country, the companies can pay millions to get it eased up for them, because they can make billions from it.

But if there one regulator for each state, they equation will change and it might not be profitable to pay millions to a regulator of the state, because they cannot make enough profit from selling in the state to justify it.

That is the only way to make it work. Rules don't work forever. Incentives do.

Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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take me back

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It's a confluence of various factors. Explosive population growth, for example. The modern economy (of which fiat currency plays a pivotal role) relies on that of course, as the lending system is a bet on future growth. If that fails the whole thing can enter a state of catastrophic failure. But population growth has more precedence. Fiat currency, bureaucratization, etc. were adopted as reactions to increasingly explosive populations and unchecked rationalism developing the absolutely ridiculous modern state system.

If you want demons to point a finger at, you're going to have to look further back in time than the 20th century. Then and now we're just doing a frantic tap dance to keep what we inherited from catching on fire.

Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

#109
This isn't really a correct narrative. Diets high in saturated fat are correlated with CVD. Sugar is also correlated with poor metabolic health which is also correlated with CVD. Both are bad.

Best data is still Mediterranean- nuts, fruits vegetables, olive or avocado oil, and lean protein.

Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

#110
post #12

When this news first came out it was mind blowing, but at the same time I don't entirely get it. So the money quote seems to be: > The literature review heavily criticized studies linking sucrose to heart disease, while ignoring limitations of studies investigating dietary fats. They paid a total of 2 people $50,000 (edit: in 2016 dollars). That doesn't seem like enough to entirely shape worldwide discourse around nu…

You're right to be skeptical, but:

> They paid a total of 2 people $50,000.

That's over half a million, in today's dollars.

With inflation, and whatnot, we get numb to what money was, back when.

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