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Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by lelanthran »

scotty79 wrote: post #27
lelanthran wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm not sure what benefit any country outside of the USA gets for honoring trade agreements that bind them to enforce US anti-circumvention, US copyright, and US DRM. Sanctions? > ircumvention, US copyright, and US DRM. A fortune awaits any country who has the guts to say "you know what, USA, we're going to allow blatantly copying your shit--what are you going to do, tariff us? Oh, wait, you already are!" What does…

> Sanctions? Go ahead. In every blackmail there's a point where the only way forward is through. > What does the target country do if Microsoft and Apple stop sales and support with immediate effect? Apple makes luxury toy electronics. Hardly anyone is going to miss those in the world. And Microsoft support does nothing. It's way easier to fix your Microsoft products by cracking them than it is to go through MS "supp…

> And Microsoft support does nothing.

By "support" I did not mean "user calls with a problem", I mean, "allowing those windows and office installations to talk to any Microsoft cloud".

It means that Windows bricks itself after not talking to the mothership for a few days/weeks/months.

It means that no new updates are rolled out.

It means that any licensed computer that talks to MS gets a response of "you are not licensed!"

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by ljsprague »

Quothling wrote: post #4

I've spent a couple of decades in the Danish public sector of digitalisation and in the private sector for global green energy. 10 years ago people would've laughed if you talked about leaving Microsoft and iOS in enterprise. Now we all have contingency plans for just that, and a lot of organisations are already actually doing it. So I would argue that there is more of a crack, but I'm not sure the post-american inte…

>There is a saying about how US citizens trust companies but not their government, and how Europeans trust their governments but not their companies.

Almost always easier to pick a new company than a new government.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by lelanthran »

nurettin wrote: post #20
lelanthran wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm not sure what benefit any country outside of the USA gets for honoring trade agreements that bind them to enforce US anti-circumvention, US copyright, and US DRM. Sanctions? > ircumvention, US copyright, and US DRM. A fortune awaits any country who has the guts to say "you know what, USA, we're going to allow blatantly copying your shit--what are you going to do, tariff us? Oh, wait, you already are!" What does…

EU fines of up to 100s of millions of USD haven't stopped these companies from operating overseas. It is unlikely that they would exit a trillion dollar market because of some self-imposed security laws. Rather the opposite, the hardware would have to be free of whatever invasive security measure there is if EU wanted it. But they are rather xenophobic, so the incentives align.

> EU fines of up to 100s of millions of USD haven't stopped these companies from operating overseas. It is unlikely that they would exit a trillion dollar market because of some self-imposed security laws.

That's not what sanctions mean. When the US imposes sanctions on $COUNTRY, US businesses are not able to do business or any type, including charity, with the target country.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by Traubenfuchs »

Quothling wrote: post #4

I've spent a couple of decades in the Danish public sector of digitalisation and in the private sector for global green energy. 10 years ago people would've laughed if you talked about leaving Microsoft and iOS in enterprise. Now we all have contingency plans for just that, and a lot of organisations are already actually doing it. So I would argue that there is more of a crack, but I'm not sure the post-american inte…

For computers we have linux, ok, but how are iOS and Android being replaced?

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by blell »

silvestrov wrote: post #83
flumpcakes wrote: post #66

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What I think most US people don't realise, is this would overnight start the slow but complete collapse of the US and it's economy. Europe can make alternatives to US tech, and with it's track record it will probably be more open with more legitimate options and less predatory monopolies. Once that is established with a home grown market of 450m people it will start competing with US in all the other markets. Let's n…

The easy part of a smartphone to create for EU is the part that is done in the US. The difficult part is the hardware. That is also why the iPhone is produced in Asia. Replacing TSMC is much more difficult than the software.

Creating good smartphone software is not easy. Only Apple has achieved it. Google is close. The rest are so far behind in the race they think they are leading.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by echelon_musk »

PeterStuer wrote: post #78
thefz wrote: post #23

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If you think internet surveillance is an EU first, you will be delighted to read about PRISM

Long before that we had ECHELON. [PDF] https://historicalarchives.europarl.europa.eu/files/live/sit...

As a bit of trivia ECHELON was discussed in Grand Theft Auto III in 2001. 'Conspiracy Theorist Caller' phones in to Chatterbox FM to discuss and makes a call to free Kevin Mitnick:

> Come on, do you honestly believe the NSA's echelon system isn't already reading your e-mails, and recording your phone conversations? It's all designed to frighten us so we don't complain about our rights being taken away in the name of fighting whatever boogeyman they come up with today.

Re: The Post-American Internet

#109

Post by [deleted] »

sschueller wrote: post #61
tonyhart7 wrote: post #50

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there is a reason why US can force ASML to stop selling its machine to China learn EUV technology history first, it originated from US department of energy research program, because of cost Gov decided to halt it but multiple private company take over the development but US Gov still hold a patent/license from that technology

> patent/license Which are enforced by international agreements. At some point those don't matter anymore either and is also the point of the article. Also Zeiss a Germany company is the only one that can make the optics required.

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Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by ta20240528 »

OGEnthusiast wrote: post #67

Europe is in a tough spot these days, trying to unwind decades of economic partnership with the USA while simultaneously trying to fend off Russia from Ukraine.

Trying so hard to fend off Russia, but they can't put Taurus missiles on a truck and drive them to Kiev?

Converting the Ford factory in Detroit into a tank factory is "trying hard".

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