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Children and Helical Time

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Re: Children and Helical Time

#101

Life with young children is actually mostly dreary and stressful; the fun and excitement and reliving of childhood memories is 1% or less of life, in my experience. By time I realize I am having that <1% experience it is over. I still feel as though I am chasing after something vanishing and never catching it.

I didn't find that to be true. It might depend somewhat on the individual children. Your individual stress level is largely under your own control.

Re: Children and Helical Time

#102
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I think time perception is contingent on cultural and lifestyle factors, I don't recognise it in my own life. My twenties (chaotic) lasted forever, now in my 30s, this last year in particular felt incredibly long (it was eventful and full of change). I rarely find myself on "autopilot". Is that why?

Autopilot is a choice- most people are on it, some aren't. Society has always been like this. Society is attacking self aware and fully conscious people more than ever now though :(

Paranoid people sometimes perceive normal levels of apathy and friction in society as intentional attacks.

Re: Children and Helical Time

#103
> Childhood memories have an intensity and a vibrancy that it is difficult for the rest of life to match.

Is it just me or is this just not true?

I remember vibes about childhood: long days of boredom, especially in school; summer days in fields and by the river; days of learning how to code, of reading loads of books. More than anything else, a lot of time to fill not otherwise spoken for.

But specific events I can recall, there are far more of them from adulthood. Amazing experiences, things that changed the way I live, they were adult events and decisions.

Re: Children and Helical Time

#104
post #2

I think time perception is contingent on cultural and lifestyle factors, I don't recognise it in my own life. My twenties (chaotic) lasted forever, now in my 30s, this last year in particular felt incredibly long (it was eventful and full of change). I rarely find myself on "autopilot". Is that why?

right things that are eventful and full of change take a long time, childhood is generally eventful and full of change. If having an eventful and changing life increases the amount of subjective life we experience how should we live.

My childhood had less change than my adulthood. I've lived in different countries as an adult; I spent my childhood in one village near a town. The events I value most and recall most strongly all happened as an adult. I struggle to remember really significant childhood events. There were a few, like finally grokking a for loop in BASIC, or my first machine code execution, but the more common remembering is of undifferentiated days in school, reading, warm summer days.

But as an adult, learning how to ride motorcycles, touring; fine dining and discovering a love for fine wine; travel generally; the perspective that living in multiple countries gives you; the birth of my son, and how it changed my perception of my parents; these things were more significant and still more salient to me now. I am a very different man to the one I was at 20, and I feel I changed more between 25 and 35 than I did between 10 and 20.

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#105
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> We must do as nietzsche described and progress from a camel, to a lion, to a child again Nietzsche's ideas where not for producing self-help advice on having hobbies.

nor was what I wrote... Try reading it all, and him, again

The metaphors of camel, lion and child have nothing to do with finding joy, experiencing life, or whatever that could matter in the context of this posting, and Joseph Campbell is pretty weak resource on Nietzsche.

Re: Children and Helical Time

#106
post #90

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nice try ron paul

Puzzling reply (assuming ron paul is being used as a pejorative), considering your adjacent comment seems to agree with my sentiment.

no, not even slightly. Im very much in favour of socializing all sorts of things.

Ron paul was used to describe the sort of (seemingly) libertarian "leave me alone, i dont want to know you. please go die" views you espoused.

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post #58

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> Backpacking feels meaningful in the moment, but is also largely forgettable. Was your schedule oversubscribed in these ? I ask because my experience of pleasure travel is very different. More so when there were (i) very little schedule to speak of, other than start and end dates, (ii) had a partner to share the experience of unplanned discovery to share with. Both, I think, make a significant difference to the expe…

> Was your schedule oversubscribed in these ? I dont have any idea what this means. Could you try again in plain english? Yes, not having a schedule makes for better travel, as I described in my later multi-year experience. I think most things could probably be made better by having a genuine life partner to share it with. But doing things solo absolutely does not preclude you from meaning. (moreover, I wouldnt descr…

I was asking whether your days were (over) packed with scheduled activities. My best ones had very loose to non-existent schedules.

Other than that our experiences are different and that's ok. People are different. It's always a pleasure to meet my past self through those writings (usually emails to friend and family) and photographs I took or were taken by others in the trip.

Agree with you on the part that it is absolutely possible to have a meaningful trip without a life partner.

Re: Children and Helical Time

#108
post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

nor was what I wrote... Try reading it all, and him, again

The metaphors of camel, lion and child have nothing to do with finding joy, experiencing life, or whatever that could matter in the context of this posting, and Joseph Campbell is pretty weak resource on Nietzsche.

No, it has everything to do with it all - particularly becoming a child again, rather than living via your children, who will eventually no longer be children and then leave you.

As for campbell, he studied him plenty and even curated a "portable jung" compendium. Moreover, his description of the camel, lion, child (from, at the very least, Zarathustra) is exceedingly accurate.

You're really out of your depth

Re: Children and Helical Time

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post #91

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> Was your schedule oversubscribed in these ? I dont have any idea what this means. Could you try again in plain english? Yes, not having a schedule makes for better travel, as I described in my later multi-year experience. I think most things could probably be made better by having a genuine life partner to share it with. But doing things solo absolutely does not preclude you from meaning. (moreover, I wouldnt descr…

I was asking whether your days were (over) packed with scheduled activities. My best ones had very loose to non-existent schedules. Other than that our experiences are different and that's ok. People are different. It's always a pleasure to meet my past self through those writings (usually emails to friend and family) and photographs I took or were taken by others in the trip. Agree with you on the part that it is ab…

i have never traveled with a schedule, even when i was being a "tourist"

also, i probably didnt make this point nearly well enough, but the real point is that travel is completely unnecessary and will absolutely not solve any of your real problems. More likely it will just distract from them, or make them worse. Whatever genuinely beneficial things you and your partner experienced together while travelling could and should be experienced wherever you happen to live.

"travel" is a completely foreign concept to living, that has only become "possible" to most people recently. For millenia, people learned how to live quite well without it.

Re: Children and Helical Time

#110
post #34
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> This is a depressing thought to consider in (linear) middle age, but it is hard to escape the feeling that it is essentially true. Childhood memories have an intensity and a vibrancy that it is difficult for the rest of life to match. Could anyone who is extremely fortunate and never had to work for money share their experience on this? I find that the years that I spent on art (playing around, learning new things,…

I, of course, have plenty of vivid memories from childhood. But I've also been fortunate to be able to travel in all senses - quick tourist vacation, a few months backpacking, and multi-year slow travel where I mostly just lived in different places (different nature settings, towns, cities etc). Tourism is generally forgettable and I don't recommend it to anyone - save the money and do something where you live. Backp…

> whereas the article is largely about recreating Neverland where everything is childish

That seams like a rather uncharitable take.

To me it came across as being an adult about simple pleasures and joys. Not fantasy.

Perhaps it is because I super admire my friends that enjoy the simple things (one in particular has been rather successful as well). Other friends have big goals - I struggle with them - too often it looks to me they are partaking in a frustrating game of elusive status. Although as a geek, my status games are quite different from theirs, so perhaps it is just that I am misunderstanding them.

> various phase shifts/epiphanies in my understanding of myself, life, the world etc

That's interesting, and I've had that too when my purpose of traveling is to learn about myself (versus traveling just for pure fun).

> traveling

I've done a huge variety of traveling and long term backpacking (the luck of being paid well for a geeky childhood). My opinions about my experiences really don't match what you have written.

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