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Stardew Valley developer made a $125k donation to the FOSS C# framework MonoGame

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Re: Stardew Valley developer made a $125k donation to the FOSS C# framework MonoGame

#101
Not without reason:

Stardew Valley, which has been sold to millions of gamers, has been created using the free MonoGame engine. So ConcernedApe is giving back to the open source software which made his commercial success possible, like commercial parties should.

Re: Stardew Valley developer made a $125k donation to the FOSS C# framework MonoGame

#102
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I wouldn't call anything Epic Games does charity: it's all empire expansion for them.

All of this is self-serving, even from the Stardew Valley dev. It’s win-win.

I disagree. I think ConcernedApe is actually genuine with his charity and we should see this as a standard for corporations to follow.

Re: Stardew Valley developer made a $125k donation to the FOSS C# framework MonoGame

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Your chances are much more higher building your own game than playing the lottery endlessly. You forget that guy who made Stardew Valley had to self-teach everything he knew, till he got to the point he quit his full time job. I don't see in what universe you have a better chance to win the lottery, than to build a successful indie game if you truly put your heart into it. Some of the greatest inventions didn't come…

The lottery definitely has worse odds, I just don't think that's saying much. If you want to create indie games—and you can make it work without quitting your day job—go for it! But I don't think it would be smart for EA or Ubisoft to, like, stop making big-budget games and make indie games instead. If you can make a breakout hit, you can make a huge profit—but you have to make a breakout hit, and that comes down to…

> A lot of them will fail, but if a few are extremely successful, they could make up for the failures. It kind of felt like the studios were doing this for a while (Grow Home, Little Nightmares) but my sense is that it has kind of stopped?

I think the problem comes from marketing budgets. For any given game a marketing budget can push some amount of sales, but applying a marketing budget to each game makes it much harder for the winners to make up losses on the rest.

Small releases also need to be 'lean' releases; management overhead is another cost that's hard to make up in scale.

Combined, large developers don't have any natural advantage at making small to mid-scale games, and their structures impose fixed costs that are hard to avoid. It would almost be better for large developers to get indie-scale games by funding partners who act outside of the corporate structure, but anybody can do that.

Hearthstone (Blizzard) is another rare exception of an indie-scale, in-house game that was a breakout hit that could not have come from the outside (because of the IP involved), but even that existed because it started as a "closet-scale" project with senior developers who insulated themselves from management pressures.

Re: Stardew Valley developer made a $125k donation to the FOSS C# framework MonoGame

#104
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I mean, this indie developer sold more than lots of (most?) AAA studios, and AAA studios have a lot more operating costs than an indie. Donating one dev year is a lot easier when you sell 50 million copies and hire no one than when you sell a couple million copies and have 100 employees plus investors. (I have 3000 hours on this game, so definitely not biased against indies or something.)

These studios have profit margins in the multi-millions, they could afford a symbolic $100k donation. Instead they choose to push their developers through another crunch cycle.

But ConcernedApe uses Monogame for Stardew Valley, the studios don't use Monogame. Why would they donate?

Re: Stardew Valley developer made a $125k donation to the FOSS C# framework MonoGame

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How does the Godot donation expand their empire? Other than get more people into game development?

It expands their empire like Microsoft pledging to "support" Open Source: it's disingenuous, self-serving, and develops a "claim" of authority over the sector. It allows them, the makers of Unreal Engine, to develop a business relationship with their competition and influence the trajectory on one of only major alternatives in order to control the market more. If Epic Games really cared about Godot, they would align…

The other option is Epic is the same as now but Godot gets no money

Re: Stardew Valley developer made a $125k donation to the FOSS C# framework MonoGame

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Stardew is probably one of the most (if not the most) popular game ever made with MonoGame AAA studios don't really use MonoGame.

Second would be Terraria (originally made for XNA).

Stardew valley was also originally XNA

Re: Stardew Valley developer made a $125k donation to the FOSS C# framework MonoGame

#108
post #61

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I mean, this indie developer sold more than lots of (most?) AAA studios, and AAA studios have a lot more operating costs than an indie. Donating one dev year is a lot easier when you sell 50 million copies and hire no one than when you sell a couple million copies and have 100 employees plus investors. (I have 3000 hours on this game, so definitely not biased against indies or something.)

These studios have profit margins in the multi-millions, they could afford a symbolic $100k donation. Instead they choose to push their developers through another crunch cycle.

They typically pay a lot more than $100k for Unreal and the likes or employees working on their in house engines.

Oh and these studios often lose money instead of having profit margins in the multi-million, see Ubisoft.

Re: Stardew Valley developer made a $125k donation to the FOSS C# framework MonoGame

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Valve contributes effort to Wine via Proton, and provides open source software like Steam Audio. EA does something similar, and their EASTL is an opinionated and gaming-focused container and algorithms library that they maintain and made open source.

They’ve also paid tons to Igalia to develop features for them in open source projects.

Many corporations are free-riding on the Open Source they use. As most of us are honestly.

But I think people cynically underestimate the value of the contributions corporations do make and fail to understand just how much of the software we enjoy is only possible due to corporate funding.

Igalia may be a good example as most of have are not even familiar with them. But the Linux distro that I use comes from their, the Servo browser is being driven by them, and many other projects benefit from their contributions.

Re: Stardew Valley developer made a $125k donation to the FOSS C# framework MonoGame

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Why would 1 unit of this game have a "profit margin" of 10%? It's a video game. He's not selling canned goods.

What do you think the profit margin of canned goods is? They make cents on every can. Something like 2-3%. The video games industry is filled to the brim with gatekeepers who take their cuts. Valve takes 30%, just for their store. Publishers start at 10%. Your engine might take a cut. Estimating that Stardew Valley, the big success video game with the lowest overhead bar none, has made 10% profit might be too low. 20…

He used this open source engine, it is free. He is almost certainly getting between 60-70% of revenue after distribution fees. His only other expenses are taxes and the other devs he employs and he was solo until the game made like $100 million. Most of the copies sold for $15 so it seems fair to me to say his companies lifetime revenue is close to $10*number of units sold which is close to half a billion dollars. And since the companies expenses are effectively zero profit is the same. If he’s smart with taxes he’s paid 15% corporate tax rate then 15% capital gains rate which comes out to just under 28% so his own lifetime earnings is probably around $360 million.
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