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Re: Fahrplan – 39C3

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You might align less with the points brought forward, but the amount of politics has not changed much in my perception.

The amount of politics may have stayed the same but the topics have definitely shifted

I mean, yes... Topics in politics shift

Re: Fahrplan – 39C3

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post #96

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Hey, at least you can reasonably argue that the political content has been headed downhill since the more aggressive days of the past. Do we see wikileaks or the likes anymore? Not really. Without direct action it's just nerds reading out their blog posts about politics, which couldn't be less interesting.

There has been plenty of direct action in recent years, but I can't really think of any on a global scale. Lots of smaller things on a German level, like journalists reporting about infiltrating a Great Replacement conference hosted by the second biggest political party here.

Sure, but it is unarguably much more boring stuff than it was years ago. I attend almost every Congress with a variety of groups, and there's certainly been a culture shift over the years from lots of anarchists who had no qualms with breaking the law to much more corporate scaredy-cats.

Congress seems to keep growing so perhaps this is just serving a broader audience. But knowing a lot of long-time attendees, I'm certainly not alone in thinking Congress is starting to be less interesting than it used to be. I'm certainly not trying to say the event sucks though, there's still a plenty of interesting stuff happening.

Re: Fahrplan – 39C3

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post #41

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this wasn't the point ... the point is that the whole thing is getting more and more political and less technical and fun. I was at the camp and some congresses in the past and they where always fun but nowadays it seems like it's like a political movement event for certain strands and ideologies and way less fun and interesting things (thou there are gems) and it seems that you have to think a certain way or at leas…

I've been there like 2 decades ago and even then it was a deeply political event. There never a time where German hacker clubs, which are the lifeblood of this event, weren't very political - and very explicitly left wing political.

We might be the same age; I remember that defacing conservative websites was already a C3 thing about 20 years ago. Back then, it felt good to punch up against authoritarianism. Hackers hated Bush and his Patriot Act just as much as many hate Trump now. In Germany, the CDU is of course the perennial enemy.

But what happens when authoritarianism does not come from the right, but from the left or center? (Not a contradiction: East Germany was an "anti-fascist" totalitarian state as recently as 40 years ago.) Sadly, I think we have been slowly moving in this direction since Covid, where I was genuinely shocked that many of my "leftie" friends had turned into government drones (from my perspective), while they were deeply disappointed that I was now a "right-winger" (from their perspective).

The more aware they become of how unpopular some of their politics are, the less they believe in democracy as a concept, while I'm still jealous of countries that have proper referendums and freedom of speech. Hate Speech laws are accelerating this divide.

Anyway, I think that these are the dynamics that are driving many people apart who all simultaneously claim to not have changed in decades. The CCC is still doing a lot of great work, but I do feel it drifting away from me because it is not so much about punching up than about punching right.

Re: Fahrplan – 39C3

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IMHO, CCC is completely defanged as a political institution. They went along with contact tracing because the local app was open source and somewhat secure and many of the regulars in local spaces people will cause lots of drama if you don't wear a mask in 2025. Most local hackerspaces I visited are basically green and leftist queer safe spaces where adults run around with stuffed animals. If that's what you're looki…

> where adults run around with stuffed animals. Nice to see something as simple as this is enough to filter bigots away!

> Synonyms of bigot > a narrow-minded person who obstinately adheres to their own opinions and prejudices especially : one who strongly and unfairly dislikes or feels hatred toward others based on their group membership

I merely shared a behaviorial observation of something I find odd. At no time did I react with prejudice or hate towards any particular group.

Why so antagonistic?

Re: Fahrplan – 39C3

#108
post #60

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I think you just became a righty and are only just now noticing that CCC folks always hated righties with passion.

Not supporting violence = "righty"?

wait, where did that come from? Your original comment was about politics, not the violence of certain groups. I think that shifts a goal post.
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