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Ultrasound Cancer Treatment: Sound Waves Fight Tumors

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Re: Ultrasound Cancer Treatment: Sound Waves Fight Tumors

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Could this be applicable and available to the public within a reasonable time horizon? My mother is dealing with a brain tumor located in the pons, and no surgeons will operate because of its location, as the risk is too high. Radiation treatments have also been exhausted and have already caused some necrosis. There was another form of light-based therapy, but it is experimental and carries an incredibly high risk as…

Getting the US through the skull bone is next to impossible due to the acoustic impedance mismatch with surrounding tissues. As a stranger I'm deeply sorry for your situation, and thought your question should be answered somehow... If you want to dig a little bit, the team of Mathias Fink in Paris explored "time reversal" techniques to get through the skull: one have to emmit from the tumor location, listen with a hu…

Thanks for the kind words and the response, I'll take a look. Even though it feels fruitless as we've already got doctors working on it and likely much more aware of what's available or coming. I'm just a software engineer who's trying to make sense of it all.

Re: Ultrasound Cancer Treatment: Sound Waves Fight Tumors

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We are more than a decade away from knowing if Histosonics technology will actually be a meaningful treatment modality. It definitely is 'cool' in that there is no incision. However, whenever you deliver ultrasound energy from outside of the body, accuracy goes down; you are also limited by anatomy in the path of the ultrasound (e.g. going through the rib cage with ultrasound is not trivial). Folks I have spoken to w…

May I ask: > Folks I have spoken to who have bought these units say they are only allowed to use them if the tumor is superficial Is this because of: - the efficiency is going down massivly (maybe into useless) or - using it "below superficial" might cause other/new problems?

There are a couple of reasons.

1. There is a wavelength and penetration depth trade off. For better accuracy you need smaller wavelengths (i.e. higher frequencies) but at higher frequencies ultrasound pressure gets absorbed at a higher rate, making it challenging to get the required pressure levels deeper into tissue.

2. Ultrasound focus can deflect as it travels in tissue (tissue is a non-linear material and multiple tissue types impacts wave propagation). The deeper you try to focus, the more likely that there is a deflection; thus your focus point won’t be exactly where you were planning.

Re: Ultrasound Cancer Treatment: Sound Waves Fight Tumors

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What are the chances that breaking up a tumor this way seeds cancer elsewhere in the body? Welp I put it to you like this - if you DON'T use this then you have a gorillion cancer cells among which very likely one genetically predisposed to adventure throughout the body as turbocancer. If you use this, or radiotherapy, or whatever, presumably there is just a lump of dead tissue where the cancer was, signifying at best…

> gorillion i'd never heard of that counter before so i googled it: > The word "gorillion" is often used by white supremacists and Holocaust deniers in the form of "six gorillion", which mocks the figure of six million Jews that died during the Holocaust. may want to look at using different verbiage.

According to a Wiktionary entry, which was revised to say that by an anonymous person in 2023, whose only other contribution was "sperm, c*m" as alternative meanings of the word "puree."[1] I could only find (citation of) a single use of the word with that meaning,[2] and the rest were antisemitism documenters repeating it as if it were in common use.

You may want to look at using a different dictionary.

[1]https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/99.114....

[2]https://www.teenvogue.com/story/neo-nazi-groups-target-jewis...

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Well when I was younger I was into chemical yoga, and you know I lived this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6uEMOeDZsA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeHlvXvG6vA

… those ones that mother gives you that don’t do anything at all!

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeHlvXvG6vA

… those ones that mother gives you that don’t do anything at all!

Not mother (or one of the universal mascots of fecundity[1]) only something to feed the festive fire

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45955649

(By way of an "explanation" of the "3 boxes")

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_hares

>There are two possible and perhaps concurrent reasons why the three hares may have found popularity as a symbol within the church. Firstly, it was believed that the hare was hermaphrodite and could reproduce without loss of virginity.[26] This led to an association with the Virgin Mary, with hares sometimes occurring in illuminated manuscripts and Northern European paintings of the Virgin and Christ Child.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeHlvXvG6vA

… those ones that mother gives you that don’t do anything at all!

In response to

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23475069

It seems that "third-person first" encapsulates the ALARM theory perfectly..

(Shannon's game "antibootstraps": if the machine loses twice in a row, it acts to prevent the human from learning its own strat. The "insurance[1]-dual" ? :)

In https://mastodon.social/@UP8/113189883152005058

The bottom box is labelled "emptiness, void, etc". its archaic nature would suggest it's that primordial "third person"?

[1] as usual, a shorthand for Morelly's

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_each_according_to_his_abi...

Which also points to

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solidary_obligations

>Contractual solidary obligations are frequently created by insurance policies

(take on solidarity v love-- later..)

>The origin of solidarity can be traced to a Roman idea known as correality where a single thing was owed by more than one person [but only one person need ever be accountable for it]

Re: Ultrasound Cancer Treatment: Sound Waves Fight Tumors

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… those ones that mother gives you that don’t do anything at all!

Not mother (or one of the universal mascots of fecundity[1]) only something to feed the festive fire https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45955649 (By way of an "explanation" of the "3 boxes") [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_hares > There are two possible and perhaps concurrent reasons why the three hares may have found popularity as a symbol within the church. Firstly, it was believed that the hare was herma…

The wine grape is hermaphrodite; could that have something to do with transubstantiation?

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… those ones that mother gives you that don’t do anything at all!

In response to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23475069 It seems that "third-person first" encapsulates the ALARM theory perfectly.. (Shannon's game "antibootstraps": if the machine loses twice in a row, it acts to prevent the human from learning its own strat. The "insurance[1]-dual" ? :) In https://mastodon.social/@UP8/113189883152005058 The bottom box is labelled "emptiness, void, etc". its archaic nature wou…

In games where any given strategy is potentially exploitable, I guess the meta is (a) rapidly decide if you're playing against a fish, or if you are the fish; then (b) if against a fish, exploit their strat, or (c) if you are the fish, run a mixed strat, to at least avoid yours being exploitable.

Bottom box as primordial "third person" would go along with egolessness in various traditions (including 李小龙's "be water, my friend")? EDIT: https://ctext.org/dao-de-jing#n11598 ?

Note that solidarity from roman law was directly taken up by civil codes, but HN's home country is a common law jurisdiction: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_legal_systems...

("joint and several liability" seems to cover passive, but not active, solidarity?)

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In response to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23475069 It seems that "third-person first" encapsulates the ALARM theory perfectly.. (Shannon's game "antibootstraps": if the machine loses twice in a row, it acts to prevent the human from learning its own strat. The "insurance[1]-dual" ? :) In https://mastodon.social/@UP8/113189883152005058 The bottom box is labelled "emptiness, void, etc". its archaic nature wou…

In games where any given strategy is potentially exploitable, I guess the meta is (a) rapidly decide if you're playing against a fish, or if you are the fish; then (b) if against a fish, exploit their strat, or (c) if you are the fish, run a mixed strat, to at least avoid yours being exploitable. Bottom box as primordial "third person" would go along with egolessness in various traditions (including 李小龙's "be water,…

(If we replace fish by "unicellular organism", it might be easier to get to "what kind of (meta)game gets them to multicellularity"?)

Note that narcissism is what PH/Kohut is trying to breakup here. I struggle to put egolessness at its foundation, because that smells too much like nihilism. seem s increasingly less healthy to scale nihilistic therapy to a handful, 37 (~Dunbar), 1000s (POUM outer party?)

Why not an alternative life-force that could legitimise the "ri" in shu-ha-ri, "acting-out", "disruption" (so take it both personal and ... solidarital (-activism)?)

[Creative] disruption is after all the unspoken (meta?)ideology on HN*

Fully hypothetically, we shall then consider the behaviour of "(self-)therapists" in that scenario- "weaponized curiosity" bootstrapping into a full alarm ---as "we" model the minds running a "Bildungs"-institution (PH), the spiessig (aeb), HN mods (yours truly) :)

(I'd like to take it here to "self jokes or -tickling", but "too many knobs spoil the chat".. EDIT to circle back to civil vs common systems wrt fueling creative disruption soon enough)

*Seems like a step up from "Schumpeterian" "creative destruction"/will-to-power tbh

Re: Ultrasound Cancer Treatment: Sound Waves Fight Tumors

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Not mother (or one of the universal mascots of fecundity[1]) only something to feed the festive fire https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45955649 (By way of an "explanation" of the "3 boxes") [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_hares > There are two possible and perhaps concurrent reasons why the three hares may have found popularity as a symbol within the church. Firstly, it was believed that the hare was herma…

The wine grape is hermaphrodite; could that have something to do with transubstantiation?

Then "J" must be..
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