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Re: A year of vibes

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Post by theshrike79 »

zkmon wrote: post #71

I spoke to a few people outside of IT and Tech recently. They are senior people running large departments at their companies. To my surprise, they do not think AI agents are going to have any impact in their businesses. The only solid use case they have for AI is a chat interface which, they think, can be very useful as an assistant helping with text and reports. So, I guss it's just us who are in the techie pit and…

I think it's because what tech people do is objectively verifiable.

Did the thing the agent made do what it was supposed to do? Yes/No. There's no "mayyyybe" or feelings or opinions. If the sort algorithm doesn't sort it doesn't work.

But a secretary-agent for a non-techie is more about The Feels. It can summarize emails, "punch up" writing etc. But you can't measure whatever it outputs by anything except feels and opinions.

Re: A year of vibes

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Post by mjr00 »

kashyapc wrote: post #97
mjr00 wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why the hell do I bother? Because you play like you practice! No ifs, buts, or maybes. You start writing sloppily because you go, "it's just an LLM!" You'll silently be building a bad habit and start doing that with humans. IMO: the flaw with this logic is that you're treating "prompting an LLM" as equivalent to "communicating with a human", which it is not. To reuse an example I have in a sibling comment thread, n…

Hi, I think we both agree to a good extent. A couple of points: > the flaw with this logic is that you're treating "prompting an LLM" as equivalent to "communicating with a human" Here you're making a big cognitive leap. I'm not treating them as equivalent at all. As we know, current LLMs are glorified "token" prediction/interpretation engines. What I'm trying to say is that habits are a slippery slope, if one is not…

Yeah I think we're pretty much in agreement. I guess my perspective is that we should consider LLMs closer to a command line interface, where terseness and macros and shortcuts are broadly seen as a good thing, than a work email, where you pay close attention to your phrasing and politeness and formality.

> No caps and no punctuation can work in text chat if you're being judicious (keyword), or if you know everyone in the group prefers it. Not to belabor my point, but a recent fad is to write "articles" (if you can call them those) in all lower-case and barely any punctuation, making them a bloody eye-sore.

Yeah it's very cultural. The renaissance in lowercase, punctuation-less, often profanity-laden blogs is at least partly a symbolic response to the overly formal and bland AI writing style. But those articles can definitely still be written in an intelligent, comprehensible way.

Re: A year of vibes

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Post by johnwheeler »

petcat wrote: post #99

I respect Armin's opinions on the state-of-the-art in programming a lot. I'm wondering if he finds that "vibe coding" (or vibe engineering ) is particularly pleasant and effective in Rust compared to, say, Python.

I bet it would be probably even nicer. I've been programming DSP in C++ with JUCE. I have a very rusty C++ experience from years ago, but it's getting me through a lot of it, and I feel pretty comfortable. Maybe my ignorance is bliss, and I'm really just putting out bad shit.

Re: A year of vibes

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Post by johnwheeler »

CuriouslyC wrote: post #36

I understand the parasocial bit. I actively dislike the idea of gooning, ERP and AI therapists/companions, but I still notice I'm lonelier and more distant on the days when I'm mostly writing/editing content rather than chatting with my agents to build something. It feels enough like interacting with a human to keep me grounded in a strange way.

What's funny is I feel compelled to say "please" and "thank you." Like even at the point where I say it, something will say in my head, "You don't have to say that," but I do it anyway because it feels wrong not to.

Re: A year of vibes

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Post by theshrike79 »

rootnod3 wrote: post #23

Sorry, but why would including the prompt in the pull request make any difference? Explain what you DID in the pull request. If you can't summarize it yourself, it means you didn't review it yourself, so why should I have to do it for you?

You're making assumptions, of course you add BOTH.

The point of adding the "prompt", or the discussion with the LLM is learning. You can go back and see what was the exact conversation.

Re: A year of vibes

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Post by theshrike79 »

moooo99 wrote: post #60
r2_pilot wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>"I think 2025 was less productive" I think 2025 is more productive for me based on measurable metrics such as code contribution to my projects, better ability to ingest and act upon information, and generally I appreciate the Anthropic tax because Claude genuinely has been a step-change improvement in my life.

> more productive for me based on measurable metrics such as code contribution to my projects Isn‘t it generally agreed upon that counting contributions, LoC or similar metrics is a very bad way to gauge productivity?

During 2025 I've almost exhausted my personal TODO-list of small applications and created a few extra ones.

This would've never happened without a Claude Pro (+ChatGPT) subscription.

And as I'm not American, none of them are aimed to be subscription based SaaS offerings, they're just simple CLI applications for my personal use. If someone else enjoys them, good for them. =)

Re: A year of vibes

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Post by theshrike79 »

sixtyj wrote: post #11
bgwalter wrote: post #2

It is nice that he speaks about some of the downsides as well. In many respects 2025 was a lost year for programming. People speak about tools, setups and prompts instead of algorithms, applications and architecture. People who are not convinced are forced to speak against the new bureaucratic madness in the same way that they are forced to speak against EU ChatControl. I think 2025 was less productive, certainly for…

Absolutely. So much noise. "There’s an AI for that" lists 44,172 AI tools for 11,349 tasks. Most of them are probably just wrappers… As Cory Doctorow uses enshittification for the internet, for AI/LLM there should be something like a dumbaification. It reminds me late 90s when everything was "World Wide Web". :) Gold rush it is.

This is just the Blockchain and Web3 (NTF) crazes all over again on the surface.

Every single grifter from those times is slapping AI on everything that moves or doesn't move.

But the difference is that the blockchain was (and still is) a solution looking for a problem. LLMs can solve actual problems today.

Re: A year of vibes

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Post by shimman »

pigpop wrote: post #86
shimman wrote: post #52

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Do you have any example repos of these OSS projects? I'm being reminded of this post every time people keep extolling how "productive" LLMs are: https://mikelovesrobots.substack.com/p/wheres-the-shovelware... Where is the resulting software?

Here you go https://ampcode.com/news/social-coding

I don't think using an AI company that relies on selling AI solutions to make money as a unbiased source of info, but what do I know? I'm not a VC investor and skeptical of the rich + elites in general.

Usually the best rule of thumb is to be against anything these people are for.

Re: A year of vibes

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Post by pigpop »

shimman wrote: post #108
pigpop wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here you go https://ampcode.com/news/social-coding

I don't think using an AI company that relies on selling AI solutions to make money as a unbiased source of info, but what do I know? I'm not a VC investor and skeptical of the rich + elites in general. Usually the best rule of thumb is to be against anything these people are for.

Do you want me to link you directly to the repos and threads on that page, I can if you can't find them.

Re: A year of vibes

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Post by _alaya »

simonw wrote: post #4

I really feel this bit: > With agentic coding, part of what makes the models work today is knowing the mistakes. If you steer it back to an earlier state, you want the tool to remember what went wrong. There is, for lack of a better word, value in failures. As humans we might also benefit from knowing the paths that did not lead us anywhere, but for machines this is critical information. You notice this when you are…

Simon, I keep hoping that you will do one of your excellent reviews on Amp. It feels like the one 'major' agentic coding tool that is still flying under the radar. I intend to explore it myself of course but curious your take.
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