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Weight loss jabs: What happens when you stop taking them

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Re: Weight loss jabs: What happens when you stop taking them

#101
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Other medications become lifelong medications but without this level of scrutiny. I am 100% in favor of finding a more permanent treatment, but switching blood pressure meds, and cholesterol meds, and other daily meds for a single once a week med is a massive improvement, especially since the all source mortality data keeps rolling in showing the efficacy here is orders of magnitude better than all the other medicati…

But it is factually true that it’s a matter of willpower, no amount of reframing it is going to change that. It’s not like others like myself, currently on a cut cycle, don’t experience hunger. The idea that we are just “lucky” ignores all the willpower and discipline we fight through to do it ourselves. I’ve eaten about 800 calories today and it is 4pm. Just finished 90 minutes on the indoor bike. My stomach feels h…

You can't make this point here without getting down voted to oblivion.

I know many ultra endurance runners and they are all in very good - healthy - shape. The only thing they all have in common is that they are very, very disciplined people.

Re: Weight loss jabs: What happens when you stop taking them

#102
post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But it is factually true that it’s a matter of willpower, no amount of reframing it is going to change that. It’s not like others like myself, currently on a cut cycle, don’t experience hunger. The idea that we are just “lucky” ignores all the willpower and discipline we fight through to do it ourselves. I’ve eaten about 800 calories today and it is 4pm. Just finished 90 minutes on the indoor bike. My stomach feels h…

Congrats, your metabolism (FAO, gluconeogenesis, insulin sensitivity, …) works well. Don’t assume that’s the case for everyone, because it’s well researched that this is highly individual.

Insulin sensitivity is made better or worse with diet alone

Re: Weight loss jabs: What happens when you stop taking them

#103
post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A constant issue here is that we keep calling this a 'weight loss drug' and society views being fat as a moral failing ant that you 'just don't have the will power' to overcome. We need to stop. If this is a lifelong drug it is worth it compared to the relatively ineffective, and just as lifelong, alternatives out there. I have noticed much less moralizing over the issue now compared to 2-3 years ago. I think more pe…

The article explains they they are not safe nor effective

No. The article explains they do not cure the underlying issue, whatever it is. We have many such drugs, widely accepted as safe and effective.

Re: Weight loss jabs: What happens when you stop taking them

#104
post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article explains they they are not safe nor effective

No. The article explains they do not cure the underlying issue, whatever it is. We have many such drugs, widely accepted as safe and effective.

So they are not effective.

Re: Weight loss jabs: What happens when you stop taking them

#105

Question for people who have trouble losing fat (this was never my problem): have you ever tried instead of dieting to just force yourself to eat more fruits, vegetables, and protein daily while also allowing yourself free range in the remaining appetite room to have whatever? The human mind/brain/whatever doesn't do well with deprivation of a high dopamine reward, but what would happen if you started to shift your t…

Yes, I gained weight anyway. Sad, I hoped that was going to be my fix.

Also, not everybody enjoys fitness.

I don't like it. I still go 5 times per week and have been doing it consistently for the last 2.5 years

I'm muscular, a bit overweight.

Re: Weight loss jabs: What happens when you stop taking them

#106
post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Congrats, your metabolism (FAO, gluconeogenesis, insulin sensitivity, …) works well. Don’t assume that’s the case for everyone, because it’s well researched that this is highly individual.

The ability to tolerate discomfort is probably as genetic/inante as metabolism.

Metabolism also isn't immutable. Ask anyone who became vegetarian for example.

Re: Weight loss jabs: What happens when you stop taking them

#107
post #8

Other medications become lifelong medications but without this level of scrutiny. I am 100% in favor of finding a more permanent treatment, but switching blood pressure meds, and cholesterol meds, and other daily meds for a single once a week med is a massive improvement, especially since the all source mortality data keeps rolling in showing the efficacy here is orders of magnitude better than all the other medicati…

> society views being fat as a moral failing

This is just as weak as a counter argument. If every argument that concludes that lifestyle changes are necessary, in most situations and for most patients, are just written off as some sort of moral high ground and not necessarily something to take seriously, then what do we have left?

Is there seriously no functional difference between healing a broken bone and getting someone to stop smoking? The only problem is just that we haven't found the right medication for the latter? Evidence of necessary lifestyle changes as part of some moral crusade?

The science is pretty clear on the subject and it is up there as one of the most well studied in medicine. Yes, anyone can stop smoking and anyone can gain or loose weight. Yes, lifestyle changes are the most imporant factor in a treatment being successful.

Re: Weight loss jabs: What happens when you stop taking them

#108
post #8

Other medications become lifelong medications but without this level of scrutiny. I am 100% in favor of finding a more permanent treatment, but switching blood pressure meds, and cholesterol meds, and other daily meds for a single once a week med is a massive improvement, especially since the all source mortality data keeps rolling in showing the efficacy here is orders of magnitude better than all the other medicati…

But it is factually true that it’s a matter of willpower, no amount of reframing it is going to change that. It’s not like others like myself, currently on a cut cycle, don’t experience hunger. The idea that we are just “lucky” ignores all the willpower and discipline we fight through to do it ourselves. I’ve eaten about 800 calories today and it is 4pm. Just finished 90 minutes on the indoor bike. My stomach feels h…

>I experience that and just sit with it. That is the difference.

Other people might have it worse and it might stay with them longer.

Could you keep it up if you were 10x as hungry as you are now for next 5 years?

Re: Weight loss jabs: What happens when you stop taking them

#109

We need to start looking at obesity as a hunger disorder, and not as the result of an addiction, a lack of knowledge about nutrition, or a lack of self control. When an obese person regulates their eating and loses weight, the hunger often doesn't go away - and often increases. This is physical, not psychological hunger. When the obese person almost inevitably returns to eating to fullness, they regain weight. When a…

In many obese people, the hunger is present even when they eat a nutritious meal at the appropriate number of calories to maintain their weight. Common advice is to say "this mix of macros or foods makes me satisfied!" and, well, that's great for you but not universal. Yup..the high failure rate of dieting is true regardless of the type of food or the macros. Lecturing to 'just eat healthy' as the default mode of adv…

Something like less then 2% of people keep weight off for more then a year from dieting alone

Re: Weight loss jabs: What happens when you stop taking them

#110

Question for people who have trouble losing fat (this was never my problem): have you ever tried instead of dieting to just force yourself to eat more fruits, vegetables, and protein daily while also allowing yourself free range in the remaining appetite room to have whatever? The human mind/brain/whatever doesn't do well with deprivation of a high dopamine reward, but what would happen if you started to shift your t…

One of my friends ate two pounds of tomatoes every evening and would not feel full. I couldn’t believe it until I saw it with my eyes….
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