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NTP at NIST Boulder Has Lost Power

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Re: NTP at NIST Boulder Has Lost Power

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Somewhat interesting that they themselves don't have access to the site. You'd think there would have been some disaster plans put in place?

Step One of most disaster plans is not to create a second emergency.

Or even just a microsecond emergency.

Re: NTP at NIST Boulder Has Lost Power

#102

Of the various internet .+P, NTP is one I never learned about as a student, so now I'm looking at its web page [1] by its creator David L. Mills (1938-2024). I've found one video of him giving a retrospective of his extensive internet work; he talks about NTP at 34:51 [2] and later at 56:26 [3]. [1] https://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp.html [2] https://youtu.be/08jBmCvxkv4?si=WXJCV_v0qlZQK3m4&t=2092 [3] https://yout…

What do you mean by +P?

Re: NTP at NIST Boulder Has Lost Power

#103
post #89
post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe this is the disaster plan: There's not a smouldering hole where NIST's Boulder facility used to be, and it will be operational again soon enough. There's no present need for important hard-to-replace sciencey-dudes to go into the shop (which is probably both cold, and dark, and may have other problems that make it unsafe: it's deliberately closed ) to futz around with the the time machines. We still have other…

There are many backup clocks/clusters that NIST uses as redundancies all around Boulder too, no need to even go up to Fort Collins. As in, NIST has fiber to a few at CU and a few commercial companies, last I checked. They're used in cases just like this one. Fun facts about The clock: You can't put anything in the room or take anything out. That's how sensitive the clock is. The room is just filled with asbestos. The…

>The actual port for the actual clock, the little metal thingy that is going buzz, buzz, buzz with voltage every second on the dot? Yeah, that little port isn't actually hooked up to anything, as again, it's so sensitive (impedance matching). So they use the other ports on the card for actual data transfer to the rest of the world.

Can you restate this part in full technical jargon along with more detail? I'm having a hard time following it

Re: NTP at NIST Boulder Has Lost Power

#104
post #80
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Time travel is extremely dangerous right now. I highly recommend deferring time travel plans except for extreme temporal emergencies.

Uhh, here's the problem, I'm sort of stuck travelling into the future at a more or less constant rate. I don't know how to stop doing that...

Have you tried asymptotically approaching the speed of light?

Re: NTP at NIST Boulder Has Lost Power

#105

Of the various internet .+P, NTP is one I never learned about as a student, so now I'm looking at its web page [1] by its creator David L. Mills (1938-2024). I've found one video of him giving a retrospective of his extensive internet work; he talks about NTP at 34:51 [2] and later at 56:26 [3]. [1] https://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp.html [2] https://youtu.be/08jBmCvxkv4?si=WXJCV_v0qlZQK3m4&t=2092 [3] https://yout…

What do you mean by +P?

Looks like .+P is just a regex way of saying any set of characters / protocol ending in P.

Re: NTP at NIST Boulder Has Lost Power

#106

Of the various internet .+P, NTP is one I never learned about as a student, so now I'm looking at its web page [1] by its creator David L. Mills (1938-2024). I've found one video of him giving a retrospective of his extensive internet work; he talks about NTP at 34:51 [2] and later at 56:26 [3]. [1] https://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp.html [2] https://youtu.be/08jBmCvxkv4?si=WXJCV_v0qlZQK3m4&t=2092 [3] https://yout…

What do you mean by +P?

Nothing, as they said .+P (note the dot)

Re: NTP at NIST Boulder Has Lost Power

#107

Of the various internet .+P, NTP is one I never learned about as a student, so now I'm looking at its web page [1] by its creator David L. Mills (1938-2024). I've found one video of him giving a retrospective of his extensive internet work; he talks about NTP at 34:51 [2] and later at 56:26 [3]. [1] https://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp.html [2] https://youtu.be/08jBmCvxkv4?si=WXJCV_v0qlZQK3m4&t=2092 [3] https://yout…

What do you mean by +P?

Presumably, .+P is regex referring too all the acronyms ending with P, that is Protocol. SMTP, HTTP, FTP, IMAP, XMPP…

Re: NTP at NIST Boulder Has Lost Power

#108
post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But can't NTP server downtime cause a disaster?

If your application is so critical that NTP timing loss causes disaster and your holdover fails in less than a day and you aren't generating your own via gps, you are incompetent, full stop

And if things are that critical, you might have other references besides just GPS...

Re: NTP at NIST Boulder Has Lost Power

#109

One question I have is did DOGE decisions have anything to do with this? Because I know they took knives to NIST.

Actually DOGE involvement at the highest level would have resulted in Tesla solar and Tesla powerwall battery backups.

Lol, lmao.

Some relevant DOGE’s effects:

-time and frequency division director quit

-NIST emergency management staff at least 50% vacant

-NIST director of safety retired, and NIST safety was already understaffed when compared to DOE labs

-NOAA emergency manager on the same Boulder campus laid off

etc

Re: NTP at NIST Boulder Has Lost Power

#110
post #41
post #12

This was an NTP 0 server right? What is the actual failback mechanism when that level of NTP server fails? This is some level of eldritch magic that I am aware of, but not familiar with but am interested in learning.

There's two other sites for the time.nist.gov service so it'll be okay. Probably more interesting is how you get a tier 0 site back in sync - NIST rents out these cyberpunk looking units you can use to get your local frequency standards up to scratch for ~$700/month https://www.nist.gov/programs-projects/frequency-measurement...

I must have one of those units oh my god
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