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TikTok unlawfully tracks shopping habits and use of dating apps?

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Re: TikTok unlawfully tracks shopping habits and use of dating apps?

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I used to be highly addicted to scrolling. Tiktok, reddit, instagram, everything. It nearly cost me my relationship and I swore it off ever since. I’ve been offline those apps for a few months now, and have never felt better. Cant believe what i was allowing to happen to my attention!

This is so true. I can't signal boost it enough. I'm also a recovering social media addict, it was a slow and painstaking transition but the benefits in terms of attention, concentration and attitude have been profound. The main metric for me was going from almost 5 hours a day of phone time 2-3 years ago, to about 1 hour today. Of course the socials still snuck in on other devices but that was the main thing which k…

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Re: TikTok unlawfully tracks shopping habits and use of dating apps?

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Earlier this year I downloaded TikTok once, I needed to access some very niche videos and couldn't watch them without getting an account. I never added anybody, and I never associated with any other socials, but somehow I started getting emails from TikTok that one of my NEIGHBORS were viewing my profile! Even used their full name. I deleted the account and uninstalled the app.

I had a creepy one like this happen to me with Linkedin. I sold my uncle's guitar on craigslist using a throwaway gmail address to a guy with a very unique, rhyming name that I would never forget (ie - Gerald Herald). Immediately after he left with the guitar linkedin suggests I add him to my professional network. I never logged in to linkedin from that gmail, never looked this guy up, don't have linkedin app install…

Did you both have location on? Were you both connected to the same wifi?

Did he do any research on you beforehand?

Did you and him both search the same guitar model, in the same days, while in the same area?

Re: TikTok unlawfully tracks shopping habits and use of dating apps?

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Much more likely an explicit retargeting ad network that doesn't realise they already bought it. Retargeting has been a thing for like 15 plus years now. Visit website for knives, ad network tracking cookie notes that down, same ad network later serves you ads for the same knives. Or some convoluted data sharing network that has the same outcome these days.

It's not much more likely. People don't realize but demographic targeting works really well. When you are a certain age, certain gender, living in a certain area, with a few other inferred characteristics, you're very likely to be talking about, thinking about, and buying a small set of product types

I think the OP knows best what happened to them, so I will leave it up to them to decide. But to get targeted for a product you just looked feels like pretty standard retargetting.

I don't disagree with your point that demographics can be very good and sometimes uncanny, that aspect I agree with. It is just the timing that leads me to believe it is retargetting.

Re: TikTok unlawfully tracks shopping habits and use of dating apps?

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I guess it's pretty much impossible to stop these companies from gathering data, there's too much money in it, it's too easy to implement, and there's no cohesive force to stop them. I'm wondering whether a crowdfunded effort to feed fake data into these systems would work so we overwhelm them and make their plans a bit more difficult.

"The only winning move is not to play." If you look at these systems that same way some people look at casinos - places specifically designed to take your money - you realize there isn't a way to change them nor improve your overall experience with them. You just don't go inside. I'm kinda hoping that it becomes the trend in the next few decades to completely abandon these algorithm-driven data-hoarding attention-ste…

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Re: TikTok unlawfully tracks shopping habits and use of dating apps?

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TikTok knows where you are and where they are. Easy connection to make.

Do you have to share your location with it? I don't use it but similar apps like Instagram don't have my location permission.

Wifi ssids around you might be enough.

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They're not identical concepts, but I've been bringing up "dopamine hygiene" a lot lately and it seems to resonate with people. Given that these companies tend to converge on addiction as their business model, I think there's a lot of overlap.

It seems an absurd amount of people misuse the term dopamine, I found this video https://youtu.be/x6_Ukic1tRM?t=1297 (in Polish, but there are subtitles and dubs). If you want to continue to spread "manipulative disinformation", by all means, some people have to be evil, but just be clear that it is pseudoscience up front.

It's a pet peeve of mine as well and I'm happy to see there being a pushback against it.

Re: TikTok unlawfully tracks shopping habits and use of dating apps?

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I guess it's pretty much impossible to stop these companies from gathering data, there's too much money in it, it's too easy to implement, and there's no cohesive force to stop them. I'm wondering whether a crowdfunded effort to feed fake data into these systems would work so we overwhelm them and make their plans a bit more difficult.

Participating in the extraction economy is certainly a choice.

Young people complain about being worse off than their parents. Sure, the income gap has exploded, and there are many factors that are making things worse, but what exacerbates this is our complacency.

First, people are just more miserable in general because everyone on social media seems to be living the "Miata life", to quote "Workaholics".

Do you see any starter homes being built? I don't. All I see is starter mansions. Everyone thinks they are entitled to one at 26, while THEIR parents lived in a starter home until they could afford something bigger, at 45.

Secondly, and it's more to the point - spending money has never been easier. Want. Click. Get. Within hours. All this tech revenue is coming from somewhere.

What was the last time you audited your subscriptions? How much do you spend per year? If you watch two shows and a couple of movies on a streaming service, is it really worth the $240 per year? Do you listen to 12 books per year to justify the $180 Audible subscription just to break with the a la carte price? And so on. This stuff adds up. But, sure, it's CONVENIENT. These companies are counting on your laziness.

Become a responsible consumer, refuse to participate in being a product. Yes, I know, it takes effort and focus, but it's not like we do no have the power to walk away.

Re: TikTok unlawfully tracks shopping habits and use of dating apps?

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If you want to find which apps are the worst at this use GrapheneOS. Amazon flat out REFUSES to work unless it has unfettered access to everything.

Ironically amazon.com works perfectly with javascript disabled. One of the few major sites that still do in my experience.

Call me an old fashion capitalist but I have a certain respect for businesses still willing to engage in a simple exchange of money for goods and services.

Re: TikTok unlawfully tracks shopping habits and use of dating apps?

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Interesting concept. I'd like to hear more about your process. What e-ink screen(s?) are you using? Any good text based websites to recommend?

Not who you asked, but personally I'm using an Onyx Boox Palma, which is a phone-sized Android device with an e-ink screen. I have Readwise's Reader on it, which doubles as "read later" and RSS feed reader, and works offline. Pretty happy with the workflow overall - I use it extensively when travelling and having time to waste (e.g. waiting at an airport or while on the plane/train). Note about Onyx, they're kind of…

It's important to highlight that while it's phone-sized, it's not a phone and doesn't have a modem
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