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Tesla reports another Robotaxi crash

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Re: Tesla reports another Robotaxi crash

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Usually you would go in with the max amount of sensors and data, make it work and then see what can be left out. It seems dumb to limit yourself from beginning if you don’t know yet what really works. But then I am not a multi billionaire so what do i know?

Well we know that vision works based on human experience. So few years ago it was a reasonable bet that cameras alone could solve this. The problem with Tesla is that they still continue to insist on that after it became apparent that vision alone with the current tech and machine learning does not work. They even do not want to use a radar again even if the radar does not cost much and is very beneficial for safety.

Human vision is terrible in conditions like fog, rain, snow, darkness and many others. Other sensor types would do much better there. They should have known that a long time ago.

Re: Tesla reports another Robotaxi crash

#102
post #34

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Incorrect humans never take over the controls. An operator is presented with a set of options and they choose one, which the car then performs. The human is never in direct control of the vehicle. If this process fails then they send a physical human to drive the car.

> humans never take over the controls > presented with a set of options and they choose one > they send a physical human to drive the car. Those all sound like "controls" to me. "Fleet response can influence the Waymo Driver's path, whether indirectly through indicating lane closures, explicitly requesting the AV use a particular lane, or, in the most complex scenarios, explicitly proposing a path for the vehicle to…

I don't know what you're trying to prove here. Stopping safely and waiting for human input in edge cases is fine (Waymo). Crashing into things is not fine (Tesla).

Re: Tesla reports another Robotaxi crash

#103
post #62

Electrek notoriously lies and fibs and stretches the truth to hate on Tesla and Elon as much as possible when it serves their own best interests. This one is misleading both in that 8 "crashes" is statistically insignificant to draw conclusions as to its safety compared to humans, but also because these 'crashes' are not actually crashes and instead a variety of things, including hitting a wild animal of unknown size…

Tesla is free to provide information that debunks these claims. They're the ones who redacted the details of the incidents in the first place.

Re: Tesla reports another Robotaxi crash

#104

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He's a complicated figure. He has done so much good as well. EVs in the US and reusable rockets owe a lot to him. OTOH, so does the cesspool that is X.

There are no elon musk museums. There are no elon musk hospitals. There are no elon musk centers for unwed mothers. How could the richest man in the world give so little back.

How do you know? Maybe he doesn't name these Elon?

Re: Tesla reports another Robotaxi crash

#107

The title makes it sound way worse than the 7 reported crashes listed in the article. I’d be interested to see a comparison with Waymo and other self driving technologies in the same area (assuming the exist).

Given that there are only about 20 of these, 7 reported crashes seems _extremely high_.

> and other self driving technologies

I mean, this isn't self-driving. It has a safety driver.

Re: Tesla reports another Robotaxi crash

#108
post #17

The most damning thing is that the most advanced version, with the most modern hardware, with perfectly maintained vehicles, running in a pre-trained geofence that is pre-selected to work well [1] with trained, professional safety drivers, with scrutinized data and reporting average a upper bound of 40,000 miles per collision (assuming the mileage numbers were not puffery [3]). Yet somehow they claim that old version…

That's not really like for like. You are comparing "level 4" where the car is supposed to do everything to driver assist where the driver is supposed to take over if things go off track.

I'm not sure what the guys in the taxis with their hands on the arm rest do. I guess they have a button that either stops the car or connects it to a remote control operator?

Re: Tesla reports another Robotaxi crash

#109

When you have a CEO like Elon who swears up and down that you only need cameras for autonomous driving vehicles, and skimping out on crucial extras like Li-DAR, can anyone be surprised by this result? Tesla also likes to take the motto of "move fast and break things" to a fault.

I'm not surprised, more because there was info on Reddit that Tesla FSDs were having disengagements every 200 miles or some such in urban environments. Camera only probably could work in the future but seemingly not yet.

Re: Tesla reports another Robotaxi crash

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There are no elon musk museums. There are no elon musk hospitals. There are no elon musk centers for unwed mothers. How could the richest man in the world give so little back.

Traditionally those are the things that happen once someone retires and starts contemplating where their money should go after they die.

Bill Gates is still kickin'. There are credible independent estimates that his funding has saved tens of millions of lives that would've been lost to malaria, AIDS, and other diseases.

Effective altruism and other New Age garbage pseudo philosophy can't hold a candle to that.

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