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Leaving the U.S. for the Netherlands

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Re: Leaving the U.S. for the Netherlands

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post #17

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If this boat sinks there will not be places you can hide in

Silly argument. Empires rise and fall. USA isn’t the end of history. If USA sinks it won’t be great for the rest of the world but no not everything else will fall.

Sure but if the place you plan to escape to enjoyed protection of the falling empire before the fall things can go south fairly fast

Re: Leaving the U.S. for the Netherlands

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Lol. I know what the comments will be. And the US is one of the top immigrant countries in the world. Always worth reflecting why people choose that when there is greener gras.

It was high ranked last year, is it still high ranked now?

With the €100k fees for certain visas, with all the news about ICE, with the requirement to have public social media profiles to get in combined with the other news about people getting deported for having politically unacceptable opinions?

According to this, the USA was net-negative on immigration by 1.4 million people between Jan and June 2025, but I don't know how seasonal things and partial data modify that: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/08/21/key-findi...

Blip, or long term change? I also don't know.

Re: Leaving the U.S. for the Netherlands

#103
post #77

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> lists all of the reasons why countries with taxes are nice to live in > concludes by: "it would be perfect if not for taxes" People wouldn't be as friendly and well educated if they went bankrupt when losing their jobs, getting a cancer, had to take $100k loans for uni, &c. the towns wouldn't be nice and clean if people didn't pay taxes for regular cleaning, ... There are very very few countries with low taxes and…

Sorry but as a southern Neighbor you are painting a picture of Europe 20 years ago. Taxes these days keep up the ponzi scheme of european pensions and an influx of low skilled migrants that are not incentivized to work. There is a a lot of budget between ur citizens not going bankrupt when they get sick and taking 50% of their salary.

Sure, but the parts you still enjoy wouldn't even exist otherwise. Even the crumbling western european healthcare system is miles ahead of the american one for the average citizen.

It's always been a ponzi scheme, even 20 years ago when you enjoyed it and thought everything was perfect.

> low skilled migrants that are not incentivized to work.

Including all the FIRE people and tech migrants who come to take freebies while not chipping in

Re: Leaving the U.S. for the Netherlands

#104
post #84

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I mean it's kind of obvious right. He's rich.

Switzerland is one of the best countries to be if you are rich, because it's safe and nobody will target you for driving a Porsche (probably the most common car brand in canton Zug), or similar. So I'd be interested what he means too. What is for sure better in the US: There is way more space.

It's a small country, relatively speaking. Rather dull cities, again relatively speaking. Rural land is hard to come by and expensive. Not a lot of sunshine hours either. Not English speaking, not an immigrant culture, and quite an insular society so if you're not born there it kinda sucks. The cities punch way above their weight, but in total the tech job market is still tiny compared to the US. If you like being outdoors, Switzerland has one landscape, pretty much. It's heaven for rich people, but a very specific kind of heaven.

Re: Leaving the U.S. for the Netherlands

#105
post #38

Lol. I know what the comments will be. And the US is one of the top immigrant countries in the world. Always worth reflecting why people choose that when there is greener gras.

> And the US is one of the top immigrant countries in the world. Always worth reflecting why people choose that It's nowhere the top as a percent of the total population. It's at the top in absolute number because it's the largest developed country by far.

Comparison is hard, because states themselves are the size (land and population) as other countries. People that would be counted "immigrants" elsewhere are not.

E.g. Switzerland has an unusually high immigrant population, but also an unusually high emmigrant population.

The U.S. has 52m immigrants and 4.8m emmigrants. [1] Nowhere else is nearly that ratio. Next closest would be Canada.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_im...

Re: Leaving the U.S. for the Netherlands

#107

Coming from Switzerland to the US: I do not want to leave. Everything is better here… maybe not for the average person but for some individuals.

When you say 'everything is better' are you just talking about higher compensation > *? Cause I can think a number of 'quality of life' things that europe does better.

US just has more to offer.

Re: Leaving the U.S. for the Netherlands

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post #85
post #47

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Perhaps, but the places where it’s arguably nicer (than US) to be bottom 50% are that way because of side-effects of America being how America has always been. Without things like US NATO membership, someone in, let’s say Europe, might eventually find themselves made forcibly familiar with what actual fascism is, by being “welcomed” into Soviet Union 2.0, now without the communist trappings. If you think Soviet bread…

I live in Germany and I'm not afraid of Russia. If they had more manpower they would have overrun Ukraine by now. They do not. I'm not saying it would be an easy fight, but Russia stands no chance. Not even with Belarus on their side or some other satellite states.

That's an example. What would you do if the next government pulls Hungary or early Putin on you and starts banning opposition media with courts saying it's fine refusing to hear the case?

Re: Leaving the U.S. for the Netherlands

#109
post #48

As an immigrant to the US, I've often viewed the fervent wish to depart (among natural born citizens) to be the ultimate form of self-entitlement. That you'd give up so easily when your voice, presence, and vote, matters most. It's being tested right now, and leaving is the only way to fail. Also, why do you think any other country would -love- to have you?

I don't assume that another country would LOVE to have me, I'd assume that I'd have to be an exemplary citizen to make it clear that I'm not another "ugly American".

The reason why I personally have been rolling the idea of leaving the country around in my head is because I'm gay and Hispanic (though born here), and I am NERVOUS about the direction this country is going. I do feel guilty about the idea of jumping ship, but it seems like it might be legitimately dangerous for people like me in the near future.

I probably won't leave, all my family and friends are here and it hurts to think about uprooting myself and leaving them, but it's NOT unreasonable. It's scary to be in an outgroup right now.

Re: Leaving the U.S. for the Netherlands

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post #85
post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps, but the places where it’s arguably nicer (than US) to be bottom 50% are that way because of side-effects of America being how America has always been. Without things like US NATO membership, someone in, let’s say Europe, might eventually find themselves made forcibly familiar with what actual fascism is, by being “welcomed” into Soviet Union 2.0, now without the communist trappings. If you think Soviet bread…

I live in Germany and I'm not afraid of Russia. If they had more manpower they would have overrun Ukraine by now. They do not. I'm not saying it would be an easy fight, but Russia stands no chance. Not even with Belarus on their side or some other satellite states.

You honestly believe that a combined Germany-Poland-Baltic army, maybe with Italy's help and absolutely no USA involvement and manufacturing is today a viable threat to ruzzians? And that such an army is somehow more capable than today Ukrainian army in an all-out land battle with combined forces, permanently fighting for a decade now?

Of course such coalition has a big number of ultra expensive and effective weapons like planes, ships and tanks. That number of weapons will last for 3 months or so. Then what? Ruzzia is not a Taliban or Hamas, you can't just bomb them with impunity. Even half a century old soviet SAMs are valid threat to anything in the air, let alone newer ones. Plus Ruzzia is not alone, they have whole Axis manufacturing power potentially behind them - Iran, China, NK etc.

I would be very concerned about Ruzzia, if I were you. Just a thought experiment, what would Germany do when Ruzzian force will appear on the Poland-Lithuanian border, annexing all Baltic states?

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