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US could ask foreign tourists for five-year social media history before entry

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To clarify: CBP is Canadian Border Patrol and you are a Canadian citizen re-entering Canada when this happened?

More likely US Customs & Border Protection

Yeah, it was confusing. I my circles the US one is known as "BP" and Canadian is "CBP". It makes more sense that they were talking about the Mexican border in retrospect given some other cues.

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On one hand, you are clearly exaggerating. On the other hand, the actual conversations I hear my friends having about business-trips to US are more stressed than conversation my dad used to have with my mom when he was traveling to do business for banks in India, Pakistan or Russia decade or two ago.

I suspect that much of the hysteria surrounding the tightening of border controls is a result of selective reporting. We weren't bombarded with articles about people being sent to secondary inspection or denied entry prior to this year. I travel internationally a fair bit and was also nervous traveling into the US this year, but having gone through multiple times now, I haven't seen any change in the process aside from the supporting documentation for my (rather uncommon) visa being looked at more systematically than before. That said, this change in entry requirements sounds like a substantial step up.

Re: US could ask foreign tourists for five-year social media history before entry

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What of those who have virtually no footprint? Almost the only thing I have is LinkedIn, which is always only as up to date as the last time I changed jobs, which I don't do often. No Facebook, insta, snap, twitter, tiktok. I subscribe to maybe five channels on YouTube. My HN account isn't linked to my main 'identity' email address so I could hide it just by having a clean phone (which I do for international travel a…

Then just say that. Customs has some list that's automatically generated based on a Google search or something like that, and all they're doing is trying to catch you lying. Like the TSA, this screening is done by the lowest common denominator of government employee to catch the lowest common denominator of terrorist or foreign subversive.

How could this be weaponised against someone you don't like?

How easy is it to set up a account under someone else's name, post a bunch of inflammatory opinions, AI some photos of them at a Free Palestine rally, and then sit back and await the inevitable border crossing horror story?

Mental note: Research yourself (and your traveling companions) thoroughly before visiting the US.

Re: US could ask foreign tourists for five-year social media history before entry

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The worldcup next year is going to be interesting.

Why would tourists want to come to a place they dislike? I don’t go to UK anymore for example.

>Why would tourists want to come to a place they dislike?

Visit family.

That's not mentioning you can dislike the current administration without disliking other aspects of the US. The US is big and diverse.

Re: US could ask foreign tourists for five-year social media history before entry

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I think the point to many of those questions/requirements are to ensure absolutely everyone can be prosecuted or deported because it's basically impossible to complete the immigration process or just about any other complicated government process without doing something that could possibly be construed in the most uncharitable way as being answered incorrectly.

"You failed to tell us that you made a single post on an obscure forum 4.5 years ago that questioned if capitalism was truly a good system, have fun being deported to a random country, you communist"

I've quoted Marx on HN on more than one occasion. I'm not sure they'd like my social media profile, despite having also been consistent in arguing for liberal freedoms that the US used to like to claim to favour.

I've visited the US many times, but I have no intention of going back under the current regime.

I transited through China earlier this year, and I frankly felt less concerned doing that - despite having criticised the Chinese government online many times over the years - than I would feel about entering the US at this point.

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I wonder if this is a media bubble thing, because basically all I see online is the opposite. The difference between the screaming outrage there and the complete absence of news reporting it tends to get pretty freaky. I mean, we've got 20 point swings in special elections and mass protests ranging from large to huge all over the place and you'd barely know if you were looking at the evening news.

Yeah, the Reddit front page (not logged in) is always 50% full of politics and raging about how much this admin sucks. Yet in real life for 99% of people it's business as usual, no observable change, you'd have no idea anything was going on. I wonder if the raging about it online has a cooling effect that makes people less likely to take irl action. Even if you do enter the left media bubble, you can't help but think…

That's part of what I mean, actually. You go downtown here on the last big weekend they organized, and its 10 blocks of shouting people in a small/mid sized city, media representation at the local level was good - there is still a newspaper here - on the evening news it was a 10 second clip, and outside of that - "personalities" talking about the whole event nationally and a 30 second spot on Seattle and New York?

Like, compare some pictures of these protests to the 4 guys with a sign locally during Iraq?

The signal attenuates fast.

Re: US could ask foreign tourists for five-year social media history before entry

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Tying this into the Paul Krugman post about social media tech giants running the US [1], perhaps it's the US running the tech giants for mass surveilance? Especially of foreigners, of course. 1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46204100 Edit: Krugman

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It's the other way around, the US wants Israel as an asset and is currently fighting to keep it one despite having been implicated in the accelerated genocide in Palestine, crime of aggression and so on. This is an extremely unpopular policy, and will only become more so over time as current young generations mature with the trauma of having spent years constantly exposed to graphic material from rather heinous atrocities and proud celebrations from the perpetrators. One of the few solutions to this problem that relevant US elites consider viable is to extend control over mass and social media, recently and infamously voiced by Hillary Clinton who says it outright at staged events.

In this context it is important to keep in mind that the bulk of members of the zionist movement are christians from modern denominations. The unnamed "they" you mention are these people, and not to be conflated with the israeli jews or jewish zionists in general, who are a minority influence in the movement.

I'm also fairly certain that the shaky old people chasing this control over communications actually believe that younger generations are more or less brainwashed by what they presumably see on screens, which is likely to be quite the psychological projection.

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"Officers were instructed to screen for those "who advocate for, aid, or support designated foreign terrorists and other threats to national security; or who perpetrate unlawful anti-Semitic harassment or violence"." Okay, that's your job then. It's not mine or anyone else's job to just hand everything over.

A tourist (to any country) has no right to enter. If you don't cooperate they can simply deny your entry.

Yes, but few other countries are as draconian about this as the US seems to want to be, and it is relevant to want to discuss how it will affect the US to make itself a less attractive place to travel to.
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