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Kohler Can Access Pictures from "End-to-End Encrypted" Toilet Camera

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Re: Kohler Can Access Pictures from "End-to-End Encrypted" Toilet Camera

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Post by tbrownaw »

duskdozer wrote: post #98
codingdave wrote: post #2

Sounds like the crappiest data source for AI training yet. But in all seriousness, of course they can access the data. Otherwise who else would process it to give any health results back? I don't think encryption in transit is relevant to privacy concerns because the concerns are about such data being tied to you at all, in any way. At the same time, yes, this could product valuable health information. Their better b…

>Otherwise who else would process it to give any health results back? Well it could be processed on-device.

That would only work after they're done training the ai models.

Re: Kohler Can Access Pictures from "End-to-End Encrypted" Toilet Camera

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Post by stephen_g »

RHSeeger wrote: post #80
modeless wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, E2EE doesn't mean it's encrypted until the service provider decrypts it. E2EE means the service provider is unable to decrypt it. What you are describing is encryption in transit (and possibly at rest). Bank data is never E2EE because the bank needs to see it. If banks call it E2EE they are misusing the term. E2EE for financial transactions would look like e.g. ZCash.

I would argue it depends on context. E2EE means it's encrypted until the "target" receives it. For a messaging protocol, it's the intended recipient of the message. For what the person you're replying is discussing, the intended recipient IS the bank. That being said, the person you're replying to seems to be saying that "the server" is always an "intended" end, which is wrong.

While what you're saying makes sense, it's not the normal use of the term - in fact, the term 'end to end encryption' was basically coined to differentiate user-to-user encryption (through an intermediary service that can't decrypt the message) from the regular case (user to service encryption) that you're talking about!

Re: Kohler Can Access Pictures from "End-to-End Encrypted" Toilet Camera

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Post by mindslight »

tbrownaw wrote: post #101
duskdozer wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Otherwise who else would process it to give any health results back? Well it could be processed on-device.

That would only work after they're done training the ai models.

So like after the alpha and beta phases, when they have an actual product worthy of selling?

Re: Kohler Can Access Pictures from "End-to-End Encrypted" Toilet Camera

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Post by tbrownaw »

jmonty900 wrote: post #83

Kohler can "de-identify [the user’s] data for lawful purposes." I mean exactly how would that ever be justified? "Hey, we see a man-sized log in the bowl. There's only supposed to be women there. The perp must be in that house!!!"

That is very strangely worded, to a degree they I wonder if maybe the wordsmithing was outsourced to either an ai or someone who didn't do English very well. Or if it's meant to be confusing.

But the linked privacy policy talks about making anonymous (aka de-identified) bulk data sets and using them for "lawful business purposes" (aka anything they want that's not illegal).

Re: Kohler Can Access Pictures from "End-to-End Encrypted" Toilet Camera

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Post by catlover76 »

codingdave wrote: post #2

Sounds like the crappiest data source for AI training yet. But in all seriousness, of course they can access the data. Otherwise who else would process it to give any health results back? I don't think encryption in transit is relevant to privacy concerns because the concerns are about such data being tied to you at all, in any way. At the same time, yes, this could product valuable health information. Their better b…

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Post by lisbbb »

jimt1234 wrote: post #73

Years ago, a friend and I were kicking around startup ideas. We weren't coming up with anything good, so we flipped it and decided to come up with the worst/dumbest idea possible. We landed on a social media site dedicated to poop (this was back when social media sites were all the rage). People could upload pictures of their poop, discuss poop, share "best poop" stories, and so on. We never actually built anything,…

I believe it is called "reddit"

Re: Kohler Can Access Pictures from "End-to-End Encrypted" Toilet Camera

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Post by mingus88 »

kstrauser wrote: post #100
mingus88 wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People who have clinical gut issues need to track this kind of thing And people who are being treated for gut issues can pay for their $600 medical toilet with HSA or insurance Honestly, that this camera toilet exists is not a WTF for me. If my doctor needs to track changes to my stool, I certainly don’t want to have to hover over the bowl with my phone out. Please, just have the toilet take the picture.

You know, obvious humor potential aside, that’s a great point. Fewer people would laugh about a pee analyzer: “Oh, it can tell if you’re dehydrated, or in ketosis, or whatever? Makes sense!” I can imagine how this could gather similar types of information. And yes, if my doctor wanted me to collect that info, I’d vastly rather buy a smart toilet and let it do the dirty work. That is, assuming it was actually secure.

Yeah I hate to kill the party but if you can’t imagine a need for this product, consider yourself blessed. GI issues are not pleasant.

An ADA toilet at Home Depot is $300 so even the price isn’t that outrageous, honestly. It’s a unique niche product so it’s gonna be a little bit pricey.

I don’t know, it just feels a bit gauche to make jokes about a medical device. Nobody’s buying this unless they need it, and if they need it then best of luck to them.

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