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Apple to beat Samsung in smartphone shipments for first time in 14 years

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Re: Apple to beat Samsung in smartphone shipments for first time in 14 years

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Looking at sales in 2010s mobile growth market is flawed. look at market share. 2010-2015 was mass smart phone proliferation, the demand denominator was expanding so companies can sell more phones while lose relative marketshare. Samsung PRC share peaked and started dropping right before/around when Xi entered office, i.e. domestic (budget) champions was grown before Xi, they were outcompeted before MIC2025 or batter…

>> Your theory doesn't work in real world timeline where we have to factor in actual execution time. ... That stuff takes years, (no "reply" button in your last comment) Sure, doesn't really matter. I just have to demonstrate that your "local competition" theory in pre-Xi era doesn't hold water and the real world data don't bear that out, which I already have. Whether Samsung China's sudden sales collapse came 1 day,…

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Real world data bares out that local competition theory holds. You've demonstrated questionable ability to intrepret data in real world context. Of course it's relevant when Samsung sales collapse happens if it happens in time period where policy changes (which again does not exist) simply could not have effect. The fact that collapse happened when Xi cannot have causative effect means Xi's policies (or lack of) was not responsible. If Xi entered office, made policy to kill Samsung, and 4-5 years later PRC built up domestic mobile players to do so, then sure. But those players already existed and had scaling plans to supplant Samsung domestically pre Xi. Samsung markshare dropping in subsequent years was because domestic PRC brands who built factories pre Xi started doing their natural scaling hence execution years prior to Xi resulted in capturing more marketshare in subsequent years, which entirely comports with timeline. Your theory also simply doesn't comport on the fundmental level that there weren't any anti-market policies in smart phone domain, because it was mature domain where pre Xi PRC competitors were already in place. Anti-market policies was for nacent industries, i.e. MIC2025.

Dramatic drop was seen first in PRC then globally which fits customary trend of PRC players establishing in PRC first then expand globally. We have global data that Samsung sales went from stalling to negative while Huawei scaling as global player to rising after Huawei ban, i.e. Samsung share went from stalling to jumping to 40% in EU after Huawei ban from 30%. Like this is all very well established history, there's no need to entertain alternative / revisionist theories when plenty of market analysis at the time already discussed Huawei eating lunch of Samsung and Apple pre ban while Samsung being primarily benefitiary of HW ban. And again it entire avoids the fact that Samsung went backc to PRC for ODMs for the same reason PRC manufactures displaced Samsung, because PRC had the most cost competitor manufacturers for low-medium end devices that accounted for most sales.

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Re: Apple to beat Samsung in smartphone shipments for first time in 14 years

#102

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>> Your theory doesn't work in real world timeline where we have to factor in actual execution time. ... That stuff takes years, (no "reply" button in your last comment) Sure, doesn't really matter. I just have to demonstrate that your "local competition" theory in pre-Xi era doesn't hold water and the real world data don't bear that out, which I already have. Whether Samsung China's sudden sales collapse came 1 day,…

E: last comment Real world data bares out that local competition theory holds. You've demonstrated questionable ability to intrepret data in real world context. Of course it's relevant when Samsung sales collapse happens if it happens in time period where policy changes (which again does not exist) simply could not have effect. The fact that collapse happened when Xi cannot have causative effect means Xi's policies (…

Sure, thx for playing, but really no point in talking in circles.

I find your last cherrypicked "Central and Eastern" EU smartphone data another stroke of desperation/genius, though it is not totally unexpected. Quite revealing!

Re: Apple to beat Samsung in smartphone shipments for first time in 14 years

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Because I think you will find that all brands suffer with this. It seems wrong to say Samsung is bad, when you have no benchmark suggesting any other brand is better.

If other brands suffer from this, they would also be bad quality.

Or is it just a limitation of the technology?

Re: Apple to beat Samsung in smartphone shipments for first time in 14 years

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I'm surprised that Samsung managed to stay #1 globally for so long after forced out of China, after Xi's rise to power in 2013.

Aren't they really big in other parts of the world, like Europe and Latin America?

That's how Samsung maintained the global top seller status after the Korean companies was forced out of China.
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