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Copenhagenize Index 2025: The Global Ranking of Bicycle-Friendly Cities

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Re: Copenhagenize Index 2025: The Global Ranking of Bicycle-Friendly Cities

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Post by queenkjuul »

pandaman wrote: post #100
queenkjuul wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bike theft is rare, parts theft is even rarer. Idk what you don't get. Bike thieves are charged, regardless of housing. Why would their housing affect that? I can't say I've ever seen a homeless person riding a bike with other bikes in tow. There are plenty of homeless people i see around, though, so I'm not convinced you're describing a real problem. It's also very unsettling that you won't refer to them as homeless…

>Bike theft is rare, parts theft is even rarer. Idk what you don't get. Source for these claims. "People I know" is not really a source. >Bike thieves are charged, regardless of housing. Why would their housing affect that? Bike thieves are not charged, why do you believe they are? How do you explain massive bike chop shops operating in the open in homeless camps? Do you think they bought all those bikes and just dis…

I have seen with my own eyes police reports of bike thieves being charged. Bike chop shops have been notably caught and charged in Chicago while I've lived here. I know for absolute fact that bike thieves are charged on a regular basis in Chicago.

I've never seen a report of a bike chop shop in a homeless encampment in Chicago.

I'm not aware of a great number of homeless people who have bikes. I've certainly never seen anyone on a $10k bike on the city streets, regardless of housing status.

The bikes that are stolen are largely stolen by organized rings, and "scrappers" who drive up and down the alleys grabbing any scrap metal not tied down. They're not cutting bikes off racks, but they're taking ones that aren't locked up. I don't know any homeless people that own trucks, so you?

They're not being stolen by homeless people. I mean I'm obviously not saying no homeless person has ever stolen a bike, I'm saying that it's not a significant source of bike theft.

Why do you use homeless as a noun, and not an adjective? Do you also refer to Black people, gay people, or Jewish people this way?

Regardless: bike theft is not a part of the calculation for people to ride a bike, at least here. #1 reason is "riding in traffic is too scary." Reducing bike theft does nothing for those people; it's already not even on their minds when making the decision. (That's your claim, btw, so back it up if you feel like it)

Re: Copenhagenize Index 2025: The Global Ranking of Bicycle-Friendly Cities

#102

Post by queenkjuul »

petermcneeley wrote: post #98
queenkjuul wrote: post #94

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I live in Chicago, most people I know don't drive, many of us bike in the cold, no it's not because we're poor

Sounds very unpleasant. How do you get groceries? To me this is like having to fetch water from a well rather than using pipes.

Uh, i go to a grocery store? How do you get groceries?

Re: Copenhagenize Index 2025: The Global Ranking of Bicycle-Friendly Cities

#103

Post by tptacek »

queenkjuul wrote: post #97
pandaman wrote: post #96

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>No, nobody I know has had their bike stolen. I am acknowledging that bikes are sometimes stolen. This argument makes even less sense then. You proclaim that stealing bike parts is an absurd idea and never happens based on the people you know, yet now you say that you don't know any people whose bike was stolen? If you believe things that don't happen to people you know are absurd and don't happen, then should not yo…

Bike theft is rare, parts theft is even rarer. Idk what you don't get. Bike thieves are charged, regardless of housing. Why would their housing affect that? I can't say I've ever seen a homeless person riding a bike with other bikes in tow. There are plenty of homeless people i see around, though, so I'm not convinced you're describing a real problem. It's also very unsettling that you won't refer to them as homeless…

Also Chicago (Oak Park, really, but lots of Chicago experience too).

Bike theft is in fact pretty common? Bike thieves are charged when police luck into catching the thief like a block from the scene, but the police will be the first to tell you you aren't getting your bike back. I have friends who've had trackers on their bike, could pinpoint the actual location of the bike, and zero help from the police.

I agree with you about the connection to homelessness.

Re: Copenhagenize Index 2025: The Global Ranking of Bicycle-Friendly Cities

#104

Post by pandaman »

queenkjuul wrote: post #101
pandaman wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Bike theft is rare, parts theft is even rarer. Idk what you don't get. Source for these claims. "People I know" is not really a source. >Bike thieves are charged, regardless of housing. Why would their housing affect that? Bike thieves are not charged, why do you believe they are? How do you explain massive bike chop shops operating in the open in homeless camps? Do you think they bought all those bikes and just dis…

I have seen with my own eyes police reports of bike thieves being charged. Bike chop shops have been notably caught and charged in Chicago while I've lived here. I know for absolute fact that bike thieves are charged on a regular basis in Chicago. I've never seen a report of a bike chop shop in a homeless encampment in Chicago. I'm not aware of a great number of homeless people who have bikes. I've certainly never se…

Police reports do not include charges, DA office charges, police reports just describe what happened...

What you experience now is called "cognitive dissonance" - the thing you want to believe is proven to be not true and you are making things up to keep believing it.

Re: Copenhagenize Index 2025: The Global Ranking of Bicycle-Friendly Cities

#105

Post by queenkjuul »

tptacek wrote: post #103
queenkjuul wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bike theft is rare, parts theft is even rarer. Idk what you don't get. Bike thieves are charged, regardless of housing. Why would their housing affect that? I can't say I've ever seen a homeless person riding a bike with other bikes in tow. There are plenty of homeless people i see around, though, so I'm not convinced you're describing a real problem. It's also very unsettling that you won't refer to them as homeless…

Also Chicago (Oak Park, really, but lots of Chicago experience too). Bike theft is in fact pretty common? Bike thieves are charged when police luck into catching the thief like a block from the scene, but the police will be the first to tell you you aren't getting your bike back. I have friends who've had trackers on their bike, could pinpoint the actual location of the bike, and zero help from the police. I agree wi…

Oh I'm not saying the bikes are recovered.

Really the only points I'm willing to push are:

1. Theft is not a major deterrent for people considering whether or not to ride a bike,

2. Homeless people are not spared from prosecution, nor are they particularly more likely to steal bikes.

You're definitely not wrong about recovery, but that's a somewhat different issue than "DAs refuse to prosecute thieves based on housing status"

Re: Copenhagenize Index 2025: The Global Ranking of Bicycle-Friendly Cities

#106

Post by tptacek »

queenkjuul wrote: post #105
tptacek wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also Chicago (Oak Park, really, but lots of Chicago experience too). Bike theft is in fact pretty common? Bike thieves are charged when police luck into catching the thief like a block from the scene, but the police will be the first to tell you you aren't getting your bike back. I have friends who've had trackers on their bike, could pinpoint the actual location of the bike, and zero help from the police. I agree wi…

Oh I'm not saying the bikes are recovered. Really the only points I'm willing to push are: 1. Theft is not a major deterrent for people considering whether or not to ride a bike, 2. Homeless people are not spared from prosecution, nor are they particularly more likely to steal bikes. You're definitely not wrong about recovery, but that's a somewhat different issue than "DAs refuse to prosecute thieves based on housin…

I agree with you about (2) but not with (1). In fact, for a lot of my bikey friends, theft is a huge consideration for which bikes they'll take where. I think the big point you're trying to make here is well taken! I just wouldn't want to create the impression that CPD is going to do anything meaningful about bike theft. :)

Re: Copenhagenize Index 2025: The Global Ranking of Bicycle-Friendly Cities

#107

Post by queenkjuul »

pandaman wrote: post #104
queenkjuul wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have seen with my own eyes police reports of bike thieves being charged. Bike chop shops have been notably caught and charged in Chicago while I've lived here. I know for absolute fact that bike thieves are charged on a regular basis in Chicago. I've never seen a report of a bike chop shop in a homeless encampment in Chicago. I'm not aware of a great number of homeless people who have bikes. I've certainly never se…

Police reports do not include charges, DA office charges, police reports just describe what happened... What you experience now is called "cognitive dissonance" - the thing you want to believe is proven to be not true and you are making things up to keep believing it.

And I've seen the DA charge bike thieves.

What evidence do you have to support your claims that people choose not to bike because of theft, and that theft isn't prosecuted based on housing status?

Why do you use homeless as a noun to refer to people?

Re: Copenhagenize Index 2025: The Global Ranking of Bicycle-Friendly Cities

#108

Post by bgnn »

usrnm wrote: post #13
bgnn wrote: post #6

I'm not surprised to see Utrecht in the first place, but quite a bit surprised to see the other Dutch cities so low. No offense, but Rotterdam or The Heague is 100x better than Paris from safety and convenience point of view. I'm curious why is the ranking like this.

I've lived in both cities and I'm surprised to see Utrecht above Amsterdam. Both are great, but I'd say Amsterdam is actually more bike-centered

Interesting. I didn't live in Amsterdam but whenever I cycle there I feel quite annoyed compared to Utrecht.

Re: Copenhagenize Index 2025: The Global Ranking of Bicycle-Friendly Cities

#109

Post by UltraSane »

Toutouxc wrote: post #15
UltraSane wrote: post #4

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E-bikes make this much less of an issue.

For me personally charging and keeping e-bike batteries in the apartment is a source of stress. I do keep and charge my drone and FPV plane batteries at home, even DIY ones, but e-bike batteries are much bigger and harder to chuck out of the window in case something goes wrong. I actually got rid of my e-scooter because of that, I just didn’t trust it.

That is a very reasonable concern. My apartment has 8 sprinklers so I park my e-bike right beneath one. You can get a e-bike with a removable battery and store it in a fireproof box

Re: Copenhagenize Index 2025: The Global Ranking of Bicycle-Friendly Cities

#110

Post by UltraSane »

aallaall wrote: post #14
UltraSane wrote: post #4

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E-bikes make this much less of an issue.

No, E-bikes doesn’t make this much less of an issue.

Yes they do. If they don't you need a more powerful e-bike. Try a 750 watt or higher.
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