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Re: C100 Developer Terminal

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I think a very common misconception makes this a terrible idea. We, developers, are also "common computer users". Just like a sound engineer, a graphic designer, a movie editor, or any specialist, really, has fancy hard- and software, but remains also a "general user". I have to do my taxes. Write a CV, or a speech. I have to make a presentation. I want to watch netflix. Listen to spotify. Must use trello, read my em…

But sometimes it's helpful to have two computers, one for "deep work" and one for all of that stuff.

Maybe.

It's not common amongst any of the developers I see in my bubble. Could be my bubble. And it doesn't mean this practice of having one machine for all uses, is actually "good".

Though personally, i'd dislike the idea of having to maintain, update, etc multiple machines. And to sync data/logins/documents/tools between the two.

I like grepping through my "Administration/invoices". I prefer putting "Documents/contracts/" under git, eventhough all are pdfs and word. I need my todo-list to be a mix of work related and personal tasks.

Also, I listen spotify when I work. I check or answer work and personal mail when waiting for a meeting to start. I use my notes for work and private. Same for password manager, calendar.

In my case, the line is too blurred to be able to switch between machines. Theyll very much overlap, making having two a burden rather than a benefit.

But that's me.

Re: C100 Developer Terminal

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There are few more photos of this HW here [1] and [2]. Apparently a real HW already exists. Also, it seems there is a storage space inside the box [3] and that the keyboard is foldable.. [1]: https://www.pentagram.com/news/caligra-computers-for-experts [2]: https://www.instagram.com/p/DPEvytujE4k/ [3]: https://www.instagram.com/p/DPEvytujE4k/?img_index=8

Seeing the height and angle, I would question how comfortable that keyboard is.

The whole project looks like a special edition collectors item, not something anyone would use.

Re: C100 Developer Terminal

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> Who is this for? Probably people who see this and experience extreme confused nostalgia for the unholy merge of IBM and Commodore esthetic. It makes no practical sense, it's overpriced, it's a terrible use of space and I still crave it.

If they were going for the commodore aesthetic, 1) may be don't call it workbench OS to confuse people and 2) the numpad (if it was called that then) is on the wrong side. It was on the right on the C64 and the amiga alike like it was. Would this benefit left handed users? I know people call for reversing mouse buttons and mouse hands but I've never seen an ask for flipping the position of the numpad.

As a leftie, I've never really used a keyboard and mouse "left handed". It's too much hassle to have to keep swapping things around when you live in a household of righties, so I just learned to use stuff the "normal" way around. In situations where there is an obvious physical disadvantage to using right handed items (eg scissors), I'll do my best to find a leftie equivalent, but it sounds like more hassle than it's worth to do the same with a mouse and keyboard. I can't draw for the life of me with a mouse, but that doesn't come up much. I don't really see the point of a left side numpad, though TBH I rarely use one anyways

Re: C100 Developer Terminal

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What specific technical thing about this makes it appealing? The marketing speak sounds nice but is there anything you're seeing here that you wouldn't get in a MacBook or Thinkpad equivalently priced? There is not much detail.

I’m not endorsing the device. It might be mediocre, and the company might be too. What I like is the direction. Most of the criticism in this thread focuses on the marketing, but that’s actually the part I find interesting: it’s explicitly aimed at Linux-centric desktop users without pretending to be “just like Windows” or trying to hide the fact that it’s Linux. Plenty of people are frustrated with the current Windo…

> "a Windows laptop you can convert into a Linux machine, or a Linux machine that tries very hard not to act like one"

You can buy computers with nothing installed on them if you want, and computer is computer (for the most part), so you can run whatever you want on it. I think the linux space is generally too fragmented into all the different distros to offer a "linux laptop", because people will wonder why it's not shipping with their favourite flavour of penguin

Re: C100 Developer Terminal

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Who is this for? Because it's not for the developers I know – they either want a Macbook or an infinitely configurable (hardware and software) workstation, whereas this has the configurability of a Macbook with the ease of use of the workstation, clearly not a combination people want. I can only assume this is for mechanical keyboard collectors. Developer-adjacent tech enthusiasts who like the idea of Linux, without…

I don't know either. I'm a developer, a very old grumpy beardy one at that. My "expert development workstation" since I began hacking on Linux almost 30 years ago has been "whatever's the fastest thing in the e-waste skip, crammed full of as much memory as I can pilfer from the rest of the scrap", and then with a brand new disk at the best price-per-gigabyte ratio I can get this afternoon from the totally-not-drug-mo…

Probably more like 20%, but it's the cool 20%.

Re: C100 Developer Terminal

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the choices made on the keyboard layout seem weird to me, though I do like the left hand numpad. But the big esc? the Fn key up top right seems like it makes key chords with it kind of hard. No ins key? no prt scr? is that 3 ctrl keys? or is that a caps lock? arrow keys etc seem a bit far away from main keyboard...

Including the keyboard seems a strange choice, especially when it's an oddity such as this one. Surely it'd be cheaper to add an extra USB port and have the buyer supply their own? I mouse left-handed, so a left hand numpad makes it an instant no from me - but even if you don't care what I think (which you shouldn't), there's so many other oddities in the layout as well! Where's PrtSc? Why is the Esc key so gigantic?…

From what I can tell, it's a US International layout (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_and_American_keyboards...), with some keys replaced with the mac equivalents

Re: C100 Developer Terminal

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not endorsing the device. It might be mediocre, and the company might be too. What I like is the direction. Most of the criticism in this thread focuses on the marketing, but that’s actually the part I find interesting: it’s explicitly aimed at Linux-centric desktop users without pretending to be “just like Windows” or trying to hide the fact that it’s Linux. Plenty of people are frustrated with the current Windo…

> "a Windows laptop you can convert into a Linux machine, or a Linux machine that tries very hard not to act like one" You can buy computers with nothing installed on them if you want, and computer is computer (for the most part), so you can run whatever you want on it. I think the linux space is generally too fragmented into all the different distros to offer a "linux laptop", because people will wonder why it's not…

> You can buy computers with nothing installed on them if you want

There's nothing wrong with that approach, but this is exactly the opposite of what I am saying.

To clarify, when you buy a computer with nothing on it, you are actually buying a windows computer that had windows removed or opted-out of. It was not built with Linux in mind.

Re: C100 Developer Terminal

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Given target market, I’m very surprised at lack of detailed technical specifications.

Secondly, I find it odd to see the numpad on the left side of the keyboard, rather than on the right. Maybe the ergonomics are fine, but it caught my eye as unexpected.

Re: C100 Developer Terminal

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Who is this for? Because it's not for the developers I know – they either want a Macbook or an infinitely configurable (hardware and software) workstation, whereas this has the configurability of a Macbook with the ease of use of the workstation, clearly not a combination people want. I can only assume this is for mechanical keyboard collectors. Developer-adjacent tech enthusiasts who like the idea of Linux, without…

I don't know either. I'm a developer, a very old grumpy beardy one at that. My "expert development workstation" since I began hacking on Linux almost 30 years ago has been "whatever's the fastest thing in the e-waste skip, crammed full of as much memory as I can pilfer from the rest of the scrap", and then with a brand new disk at the best price-per-gigabyte ratio I can get this afternoon from the totally-not-drug-mo…

I’m like this, except after reseating DRAM enough times I now indulge in ECC.
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