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Re: Why 90s Movies Feel More Alive Than Anything on Netflix

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Post by duxup »

bentt wrote: post #47

There is only so much top talent to go around. We cannot have infinite new content at the same quality as the best Hollywood could do in the 90s.

I'm inclined to agree, although I have to wonder where the money is going. Seeing plenty of BIG budget shows and movies where the dialogue and writing are just dreadful ... I gotta think those shows and movies could have outbid for better talent, but they just chose not to when it came to the creative team.

I'm thinking of productions like Star Wars Acolyte where the story and writing were just dreadful ... and they spent an enormous amount of money on it.

Re: Why 90s Movies Feel More Alive Than Anything on Netflix

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Post by carlosjobim »

CupricTea wrote: post #54

The biggest thing for me is the cinematography. 80s/90s movies were filmed as if you're standing alongside the cast. * Many more shots from eye level * Significantly less jumpcuts * People actually cast shadows onto the environment, and filmmakers would fearlessly shoot scenes with full bright or full dark elements in them without trying to make everything dark and bright visible simultaneously * Waist-up or even ful…

My apologies for a comment not adding much, but you're hitting the nail on the head, it is exactly this. Watching characters move around in an environment is immersive, not 300 cuts per minute. Also more difficult to make.

Re: Why 90s Movies Feel More Alive Than Anything on Netflix

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Post by burnto »

The 90s films mentioned in this post are works of art and the actors and creators were artists. Compensation sustains the art, but it’s not the primary purpose.

Netflix is a business. The content on Netflix is largely designed or purchased with a primary goal of engaging paying users.

We can find plenty of films that are works of art after the 90s. One Battle After Another is a recent one that comes to mind. Parasite, No Country for Old Men, Arrival, Moonlight, Tree of Life, Midsommar, Mandy…

Re: Why 90s Movies Feel More Alive Than Anything on Netflix

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Post by recursivedoubts »

CupricTea wrote: post #54

The biggest thing for me is the cinematography. 80s/90s movies were filmed as if you're standing alongside the cast. * Many more shots from eye level * Significantly less jumpcuts * People actually cast shadows onto the environment, and filmmakers would fearlessly shoot scenes with full bright or full dark elements in them without trying to make everything dark and bright visible simultaneously * Waist-up or even ful…

I know absolutely nothing about cinematography, but my sense is that HD has actually hurt the believability of movies significantly.

Re: Why 90s Movies Feel More Alive Than Anything on Netflix

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Post by [deleted] »

hyperhello wrote: post #100
queenkjuul wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a neutral third party, no, you just actually aren't making any sense. I think i can imagine the point you're maybe trying to make, but that requires me to make a lot of assumptions

The original post was about how he was angry that his friend was messing around with his phone during a movie. Why does this bother him? He feels his friend was not respecting the integrity of art, that he is missing important things in life, that meaning and value is lost as his friend treats his screen time as a flood of dopamine. What I was trying to tell him (really just talking into the social media void) is tha…

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Re: Why 90s Movies Feel More Alive Than Anything on Netflix

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Post by [deleted] »

hyperhello wrote: post #100
queenkjuul wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a neutral third party, no, you just actually aren't making any sense. I think i can imagine the point you're maybe trying to make, but that requires me to make a lot of assumptions

The original post was about how he was angry that his friend was messing around with his phone during a movie. Why does this bother him? He feels his friend was not respecting the integrity of art, that he is missing important things in life, that meaning and value is lost as his friend treats his screen time as a flood of dopamine. What I was trying to tell him (really just talking into the social media void) is tha…

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Re: Why 90s Movies Feel More Alive Than Anything on Netflix

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Post by mcphage »

aunty_helen wrote: post #16
carlosjobim wrote: post #4

Modern motion pictures are made for people who temporarily or permanently lack the mental capacity to understand deeper plots. The other audience is too small to bother with.

I don’t think this was a 90s thing. I think it’s been a gradual progression to shorter, shallower attention spans. Contrast 2001 space odyssey to a 90s movie, it feels so slow. Then contrast a 2000s movie to a modern film and if you want to feel really sad, contrast that to a high budget YouTubers content.

> Contrast 2001 space odyssey to a 90s movie, it feels so slow.

I believe it felt slow when it originally released as well.

Re: Why 90s Movies Feel More Alive Than Anything on Netflix

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Post by mcphage »

Barrin92 wrote: post #62
carlosjobim wrote: post #4

Modern motion pictures are made for people who temporarily or permanently lack the mental capacity to understand deeper plots. The other audience is too small to bother with.

It's the opposite. Modern movies are obsessed with plot. Inception being an example of this. It's everything else, the image and characters that's lacking. You're never going to get something like Tarkovsky's Solaris again that just shows you a highway scene for five minutes. Villeneuve commented on this a year or two ago in an interview where he pointed out that he hates the extent to which television has infected f…

> Modern movies are obsessed with plot. Inception being an example of this.

I don’t think Inception is a great example of this. It has plot, but the plot is all texture. None of it makes that much sense, nor does it need to.

Re: Why 90s Movies Feel More Alive Than Anything on Netflix

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Post by mcphage »

haunter wrote: post #44

I've seen many good films this decade too ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ There Is No Evil (شیطان وجود ندارد) 2020 Drive My Car (ドライブ・マイ・カー) 2021 The two Dune films Alcarràs 2022 Suzume (すずめの戸締まり) 2022 Monster (怪物) 2023 Fallen Leaves (Kuolleet lehdet) 2023 The Holdovers 2023 Perfect Days 2023 The Substance 2024 Bugonia 2025 (even though it's a remake)

Let me add in Everything, Everywhere, All At Once (2022)
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