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Re: Orion 1.0

#101

Post by NNHBdcfm6VKQ »

thoroughburro wrote: post #28
SoftTalker wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see this sentiment expressed often here, but I have never experienced a single issue using Orion on iOS. I've been using it for 3-4 months now. With uBlock Origin it actually makes it possible to use the web on iOS.

It doesn’t lose the tabs at the end of the tab list, for you? Tabs just disappearing after being opened is a daily issue, for me.

I often see the inverse of this - tabs I've closed spontaneously reappear in later sessions. Wish they would put a little more polish into the iOS version, but for lack of better alternatives, I still use it.

Re: Orion 1.0

#102

Post by e12e »

z64 wrote: post #77
luma wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Single word answer: trust. Y’all seem like nice people but trust isn’t automatic these days.

Trust with regards to...? Orion doesn't have any telemetry, doesn't force any updates on you, doesn't require any account. You can audit the application's behavior with standard tools to verify that it isn't "phoning home", etc., it doesn't need to be open source to do that, nor would making it open source obviate auditig the final executable anyways. What do you perceive as the risk to "trusting" Orion in this case?…

Also trust that it won't be abandoned like Opera was.

Re: Orion 1.0

#103

Post by wyldberry »

zipping1549 wrote: post #34
have_faith wrote: post #16

> Most people switch browsers for one reason: speed. Is that true? Maybe it is and I'm out of the loop but I can't remember the last time someone complained about browser speed. The bottleneck seems to be website bloat more than anything else. Would love to see this argument quantified.

Unless it's ungodly slow, to the point where it's beyond being noticeable, speed is the last thing I care about when it comes to browser. Most of the options available are reasonably fast and differences are not huge enough.

Gentle reminder that if you're commenting on hacker news articles you are likely the outlier in the "why people switch browsers" reasoning. Friends and family constantly surprise me with their tech choices and how they interface with the digital world whenever I'm home on holidays.

Re: Orion 1.0

#104

Post by ssaakaash »

As of Tuesday 6:33 PM UTC, it shows the error: Update Error! An error occurred in retrieving update information. Please try again later.

Re: Orion 1.0

#106

Post by geraltofrivia »

Love most of the work you folks are doing, and I am a paying Kagi customer for over a year now.

That said, it leaves a salty taste in the mouth to see

> Orion is part of the broader Kagi ecosystem

and

> Supporters (via subscription or lifetime purchase) unlock a set of Orion+ perks

I would imagine that paying for Kagi is also a vector for having the paywalled features of your browser.

Re: Orion 1.0

#107

Post by handsclean »

have_faith wrote: post #16

> Most people switch browsers for one reason: speed. Is that true? Maybe it is and I'm out of the loop but I can't remember the last time someone complained about browser speed. The bottleneck seems to be website bloat more than anything else. Would love to see this argument quantified.

It was the primary motivating factor behind the previous major browser shift, though there were also other large factors.

Remember that users often don’t correctly figure out which part of the stack is causing something. I’m guessing people generally don’t ID the browser as the performance bottleneck unless they’re familiar with browsers of significantly differing speed, and when not it comes out as asking for faster internet, faster websites, or a faster computer, all of which we hear constantly.

Re: Orion 1.0

#108

Post by kwanbix »

GeekyBear wrote: post #91
sedatk wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was true, and it was what made Google Chrome popular in the first place. Internet Explorer and Firefox were dead slow to start at the time while Chrome started instantly. We just don’t know how bad slow browsers can be because all others have caught up.

At the time, the argument for Chrome was that Firefox and IE were bloated and their memory requirements were too high. A system with less than 64 Megabytes of RAM (most computers of the time) would have to lean heavily on spinning rust virtual memory, making everything slow. However, since then Chrome has become one of the biggest memory hogs that people commonly run.

Chrome was launched in 2008. At that time it was commmon to have 2~4GB of RAM.

Windows Vista, for example, required 512MB but really needed 1GB or more to work.

A year latter, in 2009, Windows 7 was launched, it required 1GB at minimum, but really needed 4GB or more.

Re: Orion 1.0

#109

Post by shepherdjerred »

rdg1991 wrote: post #61

I love Orion, but it's pretty unusable with 1Password set up - delay on keyboard input is unbearable with the extension enabled and it slows everything down significantly. I just ran a few benchmarks with BrowserBench Speedometer: 1Password extension disabled: 17 1Password extension enabled: 10 (and the test takes much longer) Vivaldi with extension enabled: 25 I really, really want to move back to Orion as my daily…

I have the same problem. I would move back (and even subscribe to) Orion if 1Password worked properly. I've tried it out a few times since it was originally released and it just didn't work well with 1P.

Re: Orion 1.0

#110

Post by konart »

The floating sidebar totally breaks UI\UX on any web site with a header.

And I still can't select multiple tabs with shift\cmd\whatever button pressed down to do something with a group of tabs instead of a single one.

And a feel no difference in speed on my M1 Pro.

For now this 1.0 feels just as beta as it was.

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