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Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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wild_egg wrote: post #97
vbezhenar wrote: post #91

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I don't want extensible software. KDE is terrible in that regards. They have miriads of options, that's too much for me. I want opinionated software. I don't like GNOME, but it's the lesser evil and I learned to deal with its issues. Also I don't like that KDE does not have its native launcher. I need to install some SDDE stuff which works under Xorg or something like that and looks ugly. Pretty weird stuff all that.…

XFCE is plenty mature and very stable

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Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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Post by dziulius »

vbezhenar wrote: post #91
KetoManx64 wrote: post #71

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It's pretty openly known that GNOME is hostile to its own userbase and their preferences,, why continue to use it instead of KDE or any of the other 10 DE environments?

I don't want extensible software. KDE is terrible in that regards. They have miriads of options, that's too much for me. I want opinionated software. I don't like GNOME, but it's the lesser evil and I learned to deal with its issues. Also I don't like that KDE does not have its native launcher. I need to install some SDDE stuff which works under Xorg or something like that and looks ugly. Pretty weird stuff all that.…

Cinnamon DE (linux mint) is stable, mature and miles ahead of gnome

Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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Post by _carbyau_ »

bandrami wrote: post #40
charcircuit wrote: post #38

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By this definition no operating system Google releases will be secure to you. I think it would be a more productive discussion if you could argue about security ignoring that you have to trust the person who wrote your operating system or designed your cpu.

The point of open source is I don't have to trust the person who wrote it

You don't have to. Which is good!

But in practical terms there is a lot of trusting of someone/their-code going on. Unless you are reading/understanding it all.

I trust linux more than windows. But I've never read a line of it...

Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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Post by [deleted] »

fragmede wrote: post #83
bandrami wrote: post #41

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If I forget my LUKS passphrase no power on heaven or earth can recover my data

St. Gabriel, sitting on his cloud, looking at his Nvidia GPU supercomputer (also a cloud) fabbed by God, could totally bruteforce your LUKS key.

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Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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Post by surajrmal »

oofbey wrote: post #99
surajrmal wrote: post #72

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Aluminum and fuchsia are largely implementation details. The reasons these projects have value isn't necessary user facing, however they will have outcomes that enable products to be more useful with time. Maybe ai features are easier to ship, or it's less costly to maintain device support, or maybe they just save Google some money allowing for cheaper prices. Ultimately, they are closer to what's in the sausage than…

> The reasons these projects have value isn't necessary user facing The value is what then? Promotion for the tech lead that convinced a bunch of other googlers that they should contribute to this OS project?

I went on to describe positive side effects that are user visible. Users will see benefits but it's not in the form of UI necessarily. There are a lot of projects that companies take on that never reach end customers, but they help make the organization more efficient and capable which is why they are funded. I've never met someone who created a project purely to fund their own promotion. People genuinely care about trying to make a positive impact.

Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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Post by throwaway173738 »

vbezhenar wrote: post #89
atkirtland wrote: post #88

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What's the GNOME bug?

I'm using shortcuts +1 ... +4 to switch between virtual desktops. Let's say there's Xwayland application launched on desktop 1 and I'm on desktop 4. Vscode for example. Now I press +1 to switch to desktop 1. At this point, vscode starts printing "11111111" until I press Esc. This bug manifests both for vscode and Idea. I configured these apps to run under native wayland, but they're not ready and other bugs manifest…

Oh wow that explains a ton of problems I was having before I switched to KDE.

Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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Post by kachapopopow »

vbezhenar wrote: post #89
atkirtland wrote: post #88

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What's the GNOME bug?

I'm using shortcuts +1 ... +4 to switch between virtual desktops. Let's say there's Xwayland application launched on desktop 1 and I'm on desktop 4. Vscode for example. Now I press +1 to switch to desktop 1. At this point, vscode starts printing "11111111" until I press Esc. This bug manifests both for vscode and Idea. I configured these apps to run under native wayland, but they're not ready and other bugs manifest…

try cosmic desktop since it was made to be similar to gnome - it's maintained by system76 and is shaping up to be one of the most polished desktops out there, gnome has been feeling like it's going downwards for a while. I can't comment too much tho since I am too used to KDE at the moment and tiling support is just not there yet compared to KWin.

Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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Post by throwaway173738 »

IlikeKitties wrote: post #93
Klonoar wrote: post #31

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Arguably not in security model.

They hated him because he spoke the truth. An up to date ChromeOS is extremly secure compared to the non-existant security model of the linux desktop. Only Secureblue or QubesOS come even close.

You only have to give up control of the computer.

Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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Post by ulrikrasmussen »

With the move to close down Android further and evil remote attestation, the PC is the last computing platform that leaves the user in somewhat control over the system. This is an indirect attack on our freedom, and I really don't want a future where two American companies somehow got a duopoly with full control over the hardware and software stack of all general purpose computing devices, and on top of that also act as the gatekeepers and distributors of all third-party software. Fuck. That. Shit.

I want full control, and by that I don't mean the ability to customize the color of my UI, but the ability to run whatever software I choose on the device that I supposedly own.

Sure, I may be able to technically be able to run Linux on a PC and retain my free choice for a while, but that is only until Google and Apple has finished selling their remote attestation security snake oil to governments, banks and service providers so that people like me will just be excluded from the digital society altogether.

Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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Post by rendaw »

vbezhenar wrote: post #69
malfist wrote: post #45

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Let's be honest, nobody is asking for android based desktops, google just wants to normalize rent seeking 30% of all software sales.

I'm asking for Android-based desktop. Windows is so bad, that I've lost any hope for it to recover. MacOS is not that bad, but it's tied to Apple hardware and I don't like it. Also it's not getting better either, new releases bring more bloat and features I didn't ask for. Linux is what I use, but I also lost hope for it to ever become polished experience. Just recent months they introduced another bug to GNOME which…

Windows is bad because it has opinions about advertisements and AI.

MacOS is bad because it has opinions about what hardware you should use.

Linux is bad because it doesn't have opinions.

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