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hmmm this is interesting I was always the impression Taiwanese wives were more progressive and men had to do lot more lifting vs other regional cultures in east asia my original thinking after reading some of the anecdotes from TSMC engineers is that they were obsessively dedicated which means extreme hours from North American culture its also the same in places like Samsung where the company treats employers very we…
I guess the question is what you mean by ‘progressive’? The ones I met would make Mormon trad wives look liberal, but perhaps by mainland expectations? (I doubt it though, mainland is relatively liberal for women)
I guess it really depends on the individual but Japanese definitely still seem more focused on those traditional role separations (although both couples working seem more common), Koreans used to but recent decades have become more "liberal progressive" leading to conflicts with an economy largely kept afloat by 8~10 companies and its not uncommon for some men to still manage household stuff even after their jobs and this is what I heard also to be true for Taiwanese households.
I'm not sure about Mainland but there has been shifts in these regions owing to Western media and values coinciding with lower birth rates vs areas where the traditional husband-wife roles are still intact (and also by happence more economically better off vs singles/divorced/progressive couple relationships).
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The semiconductor manufacturing process is so ridiculously cool that they have to make the working conditions terrible to keep the plant from being flooded with junior engineers. I worked in ion implant, which means I was responsible for honest-to-god particle accelerators working right. But you pay for the cool factor in sweat. Pager duty isn’t a thing you take turns with. It’s your duty to carry a pager, always, fr…
> designed to make it hard to enter numbers in it. This was so that you wouldn’t change them too often That's some big brain management idea right there. I suppose there was probably a reason for it but it sounds like when you do make a change it would be likely to cause an error because of poor ergonomics.
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Why did you use the term "fled"? Any interesting story? From the outside, I would love to participate in semiconductor manufacturing.
The semiconductor manufacturing process is so ridiculously cool that they have to make the working conditions terrible to keep the plant from being flooded with junior engineers. I worked in ion implant, which means I was responsible for honest-to-god particle accelerators working right. But you pay for the cool factor in sweat. Pager duty isn’t a thing you take turns with. It’s your duty to carry a pager, always, fr…
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Semiconductors/comments/18x5vr5/sem... This reddit post captures what I've seen at TSMC in Taiwan. $120K is normal pay at the director level...engineers make $2500-5000 a month. TSMC AZ starting pay for a new college grad w/ BS is probably just under $100K/year with just salary, with the potential to make over $120K within a few years with full vested bonuses.
I think your numbers match what my cousin shared. In both my conversations with my cousin and in the reddit post, it is unclear if reported salaries are take-home or don't include the OT and bonuses, but I don't get your point? My point is: Engineers in Taiwan work more hours because they are paid to work more hours (OT). Engineers in the USA are not paid more if they work 35 hours or 60 hours. If TSMC wants to addre…
I can 100% tell you this is not true.
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In many ways I agree with you, but the problem statement (constrained/exhausted gas supply from vendor) makes it seems like this was not just line down, but the whole factory stopped for a few hours. Line down is a miserable migrane but still managable... while a whole factory stoppage makes a lobotomy seem like a good idea. It also sounds like there was not enough forewarning to park critical customer wafers in a "s…
Just curious, would a full factory stoppage require recalibration or revalidation of certain equipment? Or is it more like an atmospheric issue that only affects the product.
The number of issues that a semiconductor factory stoppage would cause stretches one imagination, worse if you cannot bring the material to a "safe" spot on the line. I will try to capture a few of them, off the top of my head.
As you alluded to, Contamination is the big one. You really need power to keep things clean. But also, the process that runs in the factory is just assumed by default to run all the time, and you optimize the process around that assumption. In a system with thousands of operations (and many suboperations within each operation), the process window is just too small to tolerate much deviance, and the process window is certainly not explored around a hard restart like this. We want to prevent it from running under these conditions at all!
Now for some more details:
- If your fab air handling/pumping system stops, particle counts will explode. This in turn causes killer defects on the process material.
- You also can't keep your tools evacuated at high vacuum / ultra-high vacuum levels (effectively, atomically pure). Pumping down to this level is not trivial and can take weeks of work to restore if the vacuum chamber is badly contaminated. Fab air is much better than the labs I used pumps in, but it is still a big job to keep these chambers pristine.
- Many tools are implicitly dependent on continuous operation and consumption of feedstock and workpieces (often called tool conditioning). For example, Letting a dry etch chamber idle means it will inevitably develop some kind of contamination layer over the previous chamber-wall conditioning layer. This can happen very fast (think ~30 min) even when the tool is idling under ideal conditions, and it often forces process module friends to run "dummy" conditioning wafers to manage the issue. Now imagine what might happen on non-ideal conditions.
- Feedstock / consumables can go bad very fast. There's wet and gaseous feedstocks trapped in the lines of every single tool, and most modules don't characterize what happens to the feedstock quality when the tool is shut down, at all. Related, I remember a story where a lab was having a terrible time replicating what was happening in a foundry due to particle contamination from wet cleans/etch. It turns out that the particulate was coming from the plastic jugs holding the wet chemistry. The root cause turned out to be the fab used that chemistry so much and so fast that the particulate contamination was never a problem, while the lab might have held the half-full jugs for months, causing plastic bits to build up in the chemistry.
- The engineers must prove that their tools/segments works as spec'd post restart. This is exhausting and painstaking work. Bringing tools back up to production in the course of normal operation is already tiresome enough. But you cannot just run critical material and hope for the best! SO now you must spend days validating the entire process line again.
- You can try to shelve / store key material to avert true disaster, but there are critical segments where this is impossible due to reactivity or sensitivity or whatever. You have a finite amount of time to get your material out of those high risk segments, and if the gas supplier only gives you an hour of forewarning, all that material might be totally screwed and there is virtually nothing you can do except cross your fingers. The material would likely be scrapped anyways since the risk is known to be too high to bother processing it further.
- There is also a finite amount of time where the wafers can spend in stores, even if they are pulled off the line in "safe" segments of the process. They will still collect particles, they will oxidize, surface quality will degrade as long as they are not in optimal conditions. Cleans are an option, but you must be sure those cleans do address the specific types of contaimination the wafers collected while in the stocks.
OK, that's what I could immediately think of off the top of my head in the time I have available. Hope that satiates your curiosity for the moment.