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California DMV approves map increase in Waymo driverless operations

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Re: California DMV approves map increase in Waymo driverless operations

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Post by gretch »

piva00 wrote: post #41
BurningFrog wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe. It would still not be governed by Japanese politicians...

Also, if state government was Tokyo-level of public service then CA would have had decent public transportation a very long time ago, eradicating a huge part of the value proposal of Waymo.

Maybe, but Tokyo, despite being literally tokyo with tokyo's politicians and tokyo's transit system has allowed Waymo to come in: https://waymo.com/waymo-in-japan/

So I guess it's still pretty valuable

Re: California DMV approves map increase in Waymo driverless operations

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Post by Aloisius »

tricolon wrote: post #76
benatkin wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It appears not to be. Here are the ones in Santa Clara County: - Milpitas - Mountain View - Palo Alto Santa - San Jose - Sunnyvale - Unincorporated Area (Lexington Hills area, overlapping Santa Clara and Santa Cruz Counties) I don't know why it says "Palo Alto Santa" Edit: I guess it's "Palo Alto Santa" to disambiguate between Palo Alto, which is in Santa Clara County, and East Palo Alto, which is in San Mateo County…

Looking at the city limits, I don't understand why East Palo Alto isn't called North Palo Alto instead.

It's more East than North of El Palo Alto - the tree Palo Alto is named after.

Re: California DMV approves map increase in Waymo driverless operations

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Post by mlmonkey »

willio58 wrote: post #26

I didn’t think I’d be so pro Waymo but anecdotally I had a fantastic experience with one recently. I was at a music show very late ~1-2am in SF and walked out to grab an uber to the airbnb I was staying at. I kept getting assigned an uber, then I’d wait 10 minutes, then they’d cancel. Rinse and repeat for 30 minutes, mind you I even resorted to calling Lyfts at the same time and nothing bit. Then I say screw it and d…

I once had a Waymo cancel on me too! I was pretty bummed: dang, let down by a robotaxi too?!?!? To be fair, it has happened only once.

Re: California DMV approves map increase in Waymo driverless operations

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Post by aetherson »

BurningFrog wrote: post #25
arjie wrote: post #20

The effectiveness with which AVs have been able to test and spread despite local municipalities being fairly luddite about them does provide positive evidence for the idea that states are the right level of government for many of these decisions. If this had been entirely up to Bay Area municipalities it would have been infeasible, and this outcome and the lives consequently saved will be due to state-level decision-…

Maybe. It would still not be governed by Japanese politicians...

I enjoy my trips to Japan as much as the next guy, but the idea that Japan is a model of great governance is at the very best arguable.

Re: California DMV approves map increase in Waymo driverless operations

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Post by enraged_camel »

krat0sprakhar wrote: post #42
willio58 wrote: post #26

I didn’t think I’d be so pro Waymo but anecdotally I had a fantastic experience with one recently. I was at a music show very late ~1-2am in SF and walked out to grab an uber to the airbnb I was staying at. I kept getting assigned an uber, then I’d wait 10 minutes, then they’d cancel. Rinse and repeat for 30 minutes, mind you I even resorted to calling Lyfts at the same time and nothing bit. Then I say screw it and d…

> then I’d wait 10 minutes, then they’d cancel. Rinse and repeat for 30 minutes, This is such a common problem in SF (esp in odd times / from the airport). Waymo has been a lifesaver in these situations.

Ironically it is the very problem taxis had that allowed Uber and Lyft to grow in popularity. Funny how that works!

Re: California DMV approves map increase in Waymo driverless operations

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Post by wffurr »

tudelo wrote: post #45
krat0sprakhar wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> then I’d wait 10 minutes, then they’d cancel. Rinse and repeat for 30 minutes, This is such a common problem in SF (esp in odd times / from the airport). Waymo has been a lifesaver in these situations.

I don't know what it is but in basically every major airport I have struggled to get an uber/lyft. I expect at minimum one cancellation...

Trying to find a specific ride hail driver at the airport seems like a huge waste of time. Just go to the taxi stand.

Re: California DMV approves map increase in Waymo driverless operations

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Post by wffurr »

decimalenough wrote: post #87
tudelo wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know what it is but in basically every major airport I have struggled to get an uber/lyft. I expect at minimum one cancellation...

In many cities this is solved with the "Uber rank" system, where you simply get in the first car in line, give the driver a code, and then it loads up your journey. Fast and avoids any hassles with drivers rejecting your destination.

Oh they reinvented taxi stands. The code for a pre programmed destination in the app is actually a nice touch.

Re: California DMV approves map increase in Waymo driverless operations

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Post by Gravey »

astrange wrote: post #37
pfooti wrote: post #13

Looking forward to the highway expansion next. I had to get from mountain view to san francisco yesterday, and waymo was _able_ to do this trip, it was going to take several hours and get routed up el camino real the whole way. Luckily I was standing very close to a caltrain station when I needed the ride, so i just caltrained, and then waymo'd from the SF station to where i needed to be.

Are you a Waymo tester? I haven't gotten Bay Area access yet despite it being released, and when I checked with support they were just like "oh we lied, it's for trusted testers only." I dug up my email and found they'd sent me the tester application form like a year ago and I just forgot to fill it out, so maybe they'll let me in sometime. (Also, the chat claimed the support agent was named Al Pacino. Unless it was…

My partner downloaded the app and registered last weekend. She already has full peninsula access, but still non-freeway roads.

Re: California DMV approves map increase in Waymo driverless operations

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Post by tonyhart7 »

davidw wrote: post #59
poszlem wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not saying this HAS to happen. But I remember when Ubers were clean, quiet, cheap too. I think you are just looking at a product before the enshittification, when they still have to pretend they care about your comfort.

I wonder what the non-subsidized price of a Waymo ride would be.

earlier price is steep because they still have huge RnD cost but if we scale that to one planet, it would been cheaper in the long run

Re: California DMV approves map increase in Waymo driverless operations

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Post by ohyoutravel »

willio58 wrote: post #26

I didn’t think I’d be so pro Waymo but anecdotally I had a fantastic experience with one recently. I was at a music show very late ~1-2am in SF and walked out to grab an uber to the airbnb I was staying at. I kept getting assigned an uber, then I’d wait 10 minutes, then they’d cancel. Rinse and repeat for 30 minutes, mind you I even resorted to calling Lyfts at the same time and nothing bit. Then I say screw it and d…

This is what radicalized me. “Uber is 4 minutes away” so I call them, and it tells me it’s trying to find drivers for the next 6-8 minutes, then a driver is selected and they are 11 minutes away, then they sit at their location for 4-5 minutes, then they start moving toward me, then they’re 5 minutes away and cancel and uber changes to finding me a ride. Infuriating.
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