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Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

a2tech wrote: post #46
embedding-shape wrote: post #22

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> It used to be that the US stood out because it took the law seriously and believed in its ideals to do the right thing I think it looked like that, because the US always been very effective at propaganda, and until the internet and the web made it very easy for people to communicate directly with each other without the arms of media conglomerates. It's now clearer than ever that US never really believed in its own…

I’m an American and I can safely vouch that myself and most of the people I know deeply believe in the American ideals that have been presented as gospel for decades—fair play, hard work, rule of law, loving our neighbors (regardless of legal status), and to a one, believe that as soon as you swear your oath at the immigration court, you’re an American, regardless of the circumstances of your birth. The situation we…

As a seventh generation American, war veteran who has been in public service for 22 of my 25 working years and mixed race person, America has literally never organizationally been any of the things you describe.

We are a nation of selfish, narcissists that have no concept of consistent long lasting care based communities.

What little care we give each other is mediated through transactions or cult based social alignment.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by lan321 »

RyJones wrote: post #63
petcat wrote: post #24

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EU is in a very tough spot right now. They're getting squeezed on all sides economically by USA and China while simultaneously facing a Russian invasion on their eastern borders. The relationship with the American administration has deteriorated badly and any action seen as "retaliation", such as this policy blockade, would almost definitely result in USA withdrawing even more support for Ukraine in the war. I think,…

I've been to Kyiv five times to deliver aid via help99.co, and I've spent many, many hours with Europeans driving trucks from Tallinn to Kyiv. The people volunteering and driving know Europe is at war. They all say nobody else where they live realizes this. It's frustrating.

In my eyes it's more so that we don't care in that sense. My friend group is mostly just keeping in mind that they might have to dip to another country/continent at some point, maybe, unlikely though.

I'm pretty sure everyone I know would rather get imprisoned than go die in the mud to protect property they don't own, on the orders of a government that doesn't care about the same things they care about.

When we talk about it, it always boils down to a discussion on how to best desert/escape at different stages.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by netsharc »

breppp wrote: post #88
watwut wrote: post #67

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Neither was genocide, neither in outcome nor in intention. You could argue about "mass killing" or some such. Dresden firebombings did not attempted to eliminate German nation as such. It does not matter how actual nazi try to frame it as similar to holocaust, it was not nearly close. And same goes for Hiroshima. It was not an attempt to eliminate Japanese people out of existence.

yes, that is my point. Israeli bombings of Gaza were far more precise and less directed at a civilian population also the population was warned to evacuate in advance, nothing that the germans or japanese had the benefit of

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-ta9To14yw

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by a2tech »

ninetyninenine wrote: post #81
a2tech wrote: post #46

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I’m an American and I can safely vouch that myself and most of the people I know deeply believe in the American ideals that have been presented as gospel for decades—fair play, hard work, rule of law, loving our neighbors (regardless of legal status), and to a one, believe that as soon as you swear your oath at the immigration court, you’re an American, regardless of the circumstances of your birth. The situation we…

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The fallacy is believing the country has ever perfectly embodied the principals of its people. Unlike your and others dismissive talk of my 'bright eyed idealism' I and the people that I interact with fully understand the missteps and failures of our country.

That does not stop us from working towards making the nation a better place. I'm stubborn and loud and I talk to politicians and others when I see things that I don't think are right. Maybe (probably) I'm tilting at windmills. But I'm not giving up on what I think the United States should be.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by a2tech »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #101
a2tech wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m an American and I can safely vouch that myself and most of the people I know deeply believe in the American ideals that have been presented as gospel for decades—fair play, hard work, rule of law, loving our neighbors (regardless of legal status), and to a one, believe that as soon as you swear your oath at the immigration court, you’re an American, regardless of the circumstances of your birth. The situation we…

As a seventh generation American, war veteran who has been in public service for 22 of my 25 working years and mixed race person, America has literally never organizationally been any of the things you describe. We are a nation of selfish, narcissists that have no concept of consistent long lasting care based communities. What little care we give each other is mediated through transactions or cult based social alignm…

Any nation made up of human beings is going to be flawed. The way forward is via incremental change and compromise. Forcing societal change does not, and never has, worked.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by petcat »

anal_reactor wrote: post #95
petcat wrote: post #24

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EU is in a very tough spot right now. They're getting squeezed on all sides economically by USA and China while simultaneously facing a Russian invasion on their eastern borders. The relationship with the American administration has deteriorated badly and any action seen as "retaliation", such as this policy blockade, would almost definitely result in USA withdrawing even more support for Ukraine in the war. I think,…

>and China That's the biggest question of the century. Imagine that EU and China make a deal, and they backstab US and Russia respectively. EU and China are physically so far away from each other that there's no way they'd actually run into direct conflict, meanwhile by backstabbing, both of them could easily get what they want. What I'm trying to say is that if you flipped the alliances and aligned EU with China and…

> China becomes the world's #1 superpower, while EU remains undisputable #2

How does EU even remotely benefit from this bizarre fantasy scenario where it flips alliances toward China? The fundamentals don't change. EU has no tech and doesn't produce anything. China would only exploit the partnership even more than they already do.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by pfdietz »

ninetyninenine wrote: post #86
pfdietz wrote: post #31

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If Europe weren't militarily dependent they'd be less subservient on this and other positions. As the US becomes less ideologically predisposed to defend Europe, expect the US to take more advantage of the dependency, as the threat to walk away will become more real.

Why does the EU need the US military? China and Ukraine mostly?

The EU's nuclear deterrent is weak. Is France committed to defend the rest of Europe with its nukes? And the UK (while a NATO member) is not a member of the EU anymore.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by breppp »

watwut wrote: post #100
breppp wrote: post #88

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yes, that is my point. Israeli bombings of Gaza were far more precise and less directed at a civilian population also the population was warned to evacuate in advance, nothing that the germans or japanese had the benefit of

> Israeli bombings of Gaza were far more precise and less directed at a civilian population They were literally intentionally directed at civilian population. With special focus on healthcare workers. The attempt to starve them was intentional too. There was even open rhetoric about that.

> They were literally intentionally directed at civilian population. With special focus on healthcare workers

no, they were directed at the militant organizations in Gaza while the civilian population was warned to evacuate in advance.

the only thing you can base this on is the fact hamas intentionally does not publish its dead, all of the casualties are "civilians", and Hamas was caught either converting dead militants to "journalists" and such or completely inflating its statistics such as the 500 false dead in the hospital "attack".

if you compare this to a similar contemporary war with reliable statistics like the war against hezbollah, you can see Israel was clearly able and successful in targeting militants.

regarding "starvation" even according to unreliable Hamas statistics these are minuscule, while if you will look at instagram there was actually a restaurant and food blogging scene in gaza throughout the war which is very inconsistent with mass famine

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by kombine »

breppp wrote: post #14
netsharc wrote: post #5

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyXExGWGEyw "War crimes are defined by the winners. I'm a winner, so I can make my own definition.". The whole documentary is worth a watch, IMO. It's an incredible look about how people commit heinous acts and build an imaginary world for 40 years to say what they did was "right and justified". Including a scene where the killers imagine they're being thanked by their victims for taki…

I think the more interesting thing here is the ability to fantasize categories such as genocide where war can be maximalized into genocide when you don't like the winner, and the genocidal act that has started said war (classic genocide mass killings of civilians by death squads) is appropriated by the perpetrators turned victims

This is demagoguery. There is ample evidencence that Israel committed genocide in Gaza. Historians who study genocide all their careers, including Israeli Jewish ones, concluded it a long time ago. There is 100 pages with references in the application by South Africa to the ICJ. If you intend to take the same route as the Holocaust denialists, the burden is on you to disprove all the evidence.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by vfclists »

prasadjoglekar wrote: post #11

TLDR: he's a member of the ICC. Issues warrants against Israeli political leaders. Neither Israel nor the USA (nor China, Russia, India) are parties to the international conventions that formed the ICC. He's being sanctioned as a result by the USA, which flowed down to US companies who must follow US law.

If the sanctioned Israeli politicians and military commanders think those warrants are baseless, why don't they appear before the courts to defend themselves?

This isn't really about the ICC judges. It is about the failure of the major Western countries who are part of the ICC to come to the defence of the judges who they have appointed to make those decisions, and the control Israeli politicians exercise over the White House, ie the US President himself.

Americans don't seem to understand how the moral character of their politicians and their political system is relentlessly degraded by the so called Israel lobby, or they don't care, or have resigned themselves to it.

Sanctions of those kind or usually applied to corporate entities, state entitities or militant political groups aka "proscribed terrorist organizations". They are not intended to applied to individuals carrying out their legitimate duties in organizations approved or even created by America's own allies under principles America subscribes to, even if they are reluctant to submit themselves to those organizations.

And yet on account of Israel, the US applies these sanctions to judges carrying out the duties lawfully, and somehow they don't see how whimsical, capricious, petty and infantile such decisions are and the poor light they present the US in.

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