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Three kinds of AI products work

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Re: Three kinds of AI products work

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post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> basic content generation Dunno, man, I can spot ai-generated content a mile away, it tends to be incredibly useless so once I spot it, I’ll run in the opposite direction.

You spot bad ai content. Since there is no button that will tell you if something was Ai generated you never know if what you read was/wasn't.

Wow didn’t take long for the machine fanbois to show up.

Re: Three kinds of AI products work

#102

Well, the elephant in the room here is that the generic AI product that is being promised, i.e. "you get into your car in the morning, and on your drive to the office dictate your requirements for one of the apps that is going to guarantee your retirement, in order to find it completely done , rolled out to all the app stores and making money already once you arrive" isn't happening anytime soon, if ever, yet everyon…

> Can "AI" in its current form deliver value? Sure, and it absolutely does but it's more in the form of "several hours saved per FTE per week" than "several FTEs saved per week".

Yes but...

First, what we're seeing with coding is that it is just exposing the next bottleneck quickly. The bottlenecks are always things that don't lend themselves to LLMs yet.

Second, that still can mean 4 hours a week for 20-50 bucks. At US white collar wages, that might mean 8 people are needed rather than 9. In profit centers that's more budget for advancing goals. At cost centers, though, that's a reduction in headcount.

Re: Three kinds of AI products work

#103
post #100

> The third real AI product is the coding agent. People have been talking about this for years, but it was only really in 2025 that the technology behind coding agents became feasible No, they didn’t. > LLMs are particularly good at tasks like “skim through ten pages of search results” or “keyword search this giant dataset for any information on a particular topic”. No. They are not. Amazing article without any suppo…

I don't think any of those statements are controversial. Do you mind elaborating?

Re: Three kinds of AI products work

#104
post #38
post #14

>> in five years time most internet users will spend a big part of their day scrolling an AI-generated feed. Yep. Looking forward to the future where you can eat plastic pop-corn while watching the AI-generated video feeds.

Why 5 years, I'm pretty sure we're there today.

Yeah the popcorn probably has microplastics in it.

Re: Three kinds of AI products work

#105

seem like data analysis would be a good one. Company ingests massive amounts of disparate business data. Ask AI to clean and normalize it, visualize it and give recommendations.

I think this is not a sure bet because of the relatively high cost of inference. It is likely not suitable for large amounts of data. We don't actually know yet because current prices are so heavily subsidized, we don't know if it would actually be viable in a normal financial environment without subsidies.

We know it's not viable to hire humans to do this, but we don't know if it's viable for LLMs to do it.

Re: Three kinds of AI products work

#106
post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you go through the haystack yourself first, find the needle, and then use that to validate your hypothesis that the AI is good at accomplishing that task (because it usually finds the same needle)? If not, how do you know they're good at the task? My own experience using LLMs is that we frequently disagree about which points are crucial and which can be omitted from a summary.

It depends on how much time I have, and how important the task is. I've been surprised and I've been disappointed. One particular time I was wrestling with a CI/CD issue. I could not for the life of me figure it out. The logs were cryptic and there was a lot of them. In desperation I pasted the 10 or so pages of raw logs into ChatGPT and asked it to see if it can spot the problem. It have me three potential things to…

I really don't see how it can save you time if you have to summarize the same source for yourself every time in order to learn whether the AI did a good job in this particular case.

Re: Three kinds of AI products work

#107
I think this is a pretty narrow take. Without going into too much detail I can imagine many use cases. For example, there is a whole class of predictive algorithms and one limitation is that data has to be cleaned, ingested, and feature engineered. For example, clustering is only as good as your vectorization. With an LLM, it is easy to imagine predictive use cases that skip entire etl pipelines and just directly operate on less structured inputs, not just summarizing those inputs, but actually making decisions or predictions. You’re already seeing frameworks like BERT-topic integrating LLMs (for labeling topics), that is already far removed from the “3 use cases” listed here.

By fine tuning llm based predictive systems we might unlock entirely new use cases, and prediction is just one thing i imagine, there are many other use cases.

And then it’s not just the fact that frameworks like bert-topic are integrating LLMs. It’s also the fact that if you zoom out the architecture looks a lot like the architecture of an LLM… text -> embedding -> text

An LLM could and is already being used to generate recommendations systems, like the ones used at Youtube and Netflix, it captures more semantics than older techniques.

Re: Three kinds of AI products work

#108
This is ridiculous

Shazam is almost perfect song recognition and is built into iOS

Every Google/Apple Maps route is based on an AI system

I have at least a dozen apps that use almost perfect visual recognition based on images for search (plant identification, stochastic object identification etc…)

Re: Three kinds of AI products work

#109
post #37

Well, the elephant in the room here is that the generic AI product that is being promised, i.e. "you get into your car in the morning, and on your drive to the office dictate your requirements for one of the apps that is going to guarantee your retirement, in order to find it completely done , rolled out to all the app stores and making money already once you arrive" isn't happening anytime soon, if ever, yet everyon…

Skeptics always like to toss in 'if ever' as some form of enlightenment they they are aware of some fundamental limitation of the universe only they are privy to.

Theorising something will exist before the heat death of the universe isn’t really interesting.

Re: Three kinds of AI products work

#110
post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Skeptics always like to toss in 'if ever' as some form of enlightenment they they are aware of some fundamental limitation of the universe only they are privy to.

Let’s say there are three options: {soon, later, not at all}. Ruling out only one to arrive at {later, not at all} implies less knowledge than ruling out two and asserting {later}. Awareness of a fundamental limitation would eliminate possibilities to just {not at all}, and the phrasing would be “never”, rather than “not soon, if ever”.

But we know that the fundamental limitation of intelligence does not exist, nature has already created that with animal and eventually human intelligence via random walk. So 'AI will never exist' is lazy magical thinking. That intelligence can be self reinforcing is a good reason why AI will exist much sooner than later.
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