Live data from Hacker News

Kubernetes Ingress Nginx is retiring

kubernetes.dev

101–110 of 178 posts

Re: Kubernetes Ingress Nginx is retiring

#101
It's a sad announcement but I fully support it and hope more projects will follow.

It's untenable. In my own company we rely on several critical to us OSS projects and my appeals to donate to them are rebuffed :/

At least we try to patch stuff upstream instead of hoarding fixes, but I still think it's not just immoral but ultimately shortsighted.

Re: Kubernetes Ingress Nginx is retiring

#102
post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can manage and reason about ~2000+ servers without Kubernetes, even with a relatively small team, say about 100 - 150, depending on what kind of business you're in. I'd recommend either Puppet, Ansible (with AWX) and/or Ubuntu Landscape (assuming that your in the Ubuntu ecosystem). Kubernetes is for rather special case environments. I am coming around to the idea of using Kubernetes more, but I still think that i…

imo if you are on a cloud like aws and using a config management system for mutable infra like puppet you are taking unnecessary complexity and living in the dark ages > Generally speaking I think people need to be more comfortable with build packages for their operating system of choice and install applications that way. The it's mostly configuration that needs why, it’s 2025, docker / container makes life so easy

because programmers should be able to use computers

Re: Kubernetes Ingress Nginx is retiring

#103
post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i prefer current era where i never have to ssh to debug a node. if a node is misbehaving or even needs a patch i destroy it. one command, works every time.

How can you not be interested in what took down your node???

oh, i am interested, but i can’t remember the last time i needed ssh to figure out the issue, or needing to fix a node besides by destroying it. last time it was a silly app deciding to use a host volume on root partition to cache stuff using all the disk space. remediate in the moment by destroying node, fix it forever by moving the app to a node type with instance attached NVMe device and putting the volume there + container that nukes the data volume if it runs out of space.

Re: Kubernetes Ingress Nginx is retiring

#104
post #43
post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like devops. It means you get to get ahead of all the issues that you could potentially find in cybersecurity. Sure it's complicated, but at least you'll never be bored. I think the hardest part is that you always feel like you don't have enough time to do everything you need to.

DevOps teams are always running slightly behind and rarely getting ahead of technical debt because they are treated as cost centers by the business (perpetually understaffed) and as “last minute complicated requests that sound simple enough” and “oops our requirements changed” dumping grounds for engineering teams. Plus, the ops side has a lot of challenges that can really be a different beast compared to the applica…

> DevOps teams are always running slightly behind and rarely getting ahead of technical debt because they are treated as cost centers by the business

This is one of those explanations that sounds reasonable but when you actually experience it you realize the explanation makes no sense.

If you're "running behind of technical debt" you'll always feel understaffed no matter how much staffing you have. And adding more staffing will make your tech debt worse.

Plus, tech debt doesn't really exist. It's a metaphor for all the little annoyances in your system that add up, but the metaphor makes it sound like it's the problem of management or accounting to solve when it's actually created by developers and solved by developers.

Re: Kubernetes Ingress Nginx is retiring

#105
post #19

How do you people even keep up with this? I'm going back to cybersecurity after trying DevOps for a year, it's not for me. I miss my sysadmin days, things were simple back then and worked. Maybe I'm just getting old and my cognitive abilities are declining. It seems to me that the current tech scene doesn't reward simple.

Not just that, but technologies which took me many months or even years to become and expert at, the latest generation of engineers seem to be able to pick up in weeks. It's scary how fast the world is moving.

Re: Kubernetes Ingress Nginx is retiring

#106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also feel like we as an industry should steer towards a state of "doneness" for OSS solutions. As long as it works, it's fine to keep using technologies that are only sparsely maintained.

Ingress-Nginx is commonly internet facing though; I think everyone wants at least base image and ssl upgrades on that component…

In which case it's even more important that the updates are not a huge amount of work.

Re: Kubernetes Ingress Nginx is retiring

#107
post #23

This is required steps but the timing plan is bad. Looks like a google product closing. Let people time to move out, 6 month is not enough.

> Let people time to move out, 6 month is not enough.

Did you actually contribute? Either by donations or code? If not, Beggars can't be choosers. You are not entitled to free maintainence for open source software you use.

Re: Kubernetes Ingress Nginx is retiring

#108

Another triumph for open source: popular project probably used by many megacorps only propped up by the weekend charity of a couple unpaid suckers over the years.

Yes, exactly. And not only megacorps are to blame, smaller businesses use it too without contributing anything back and then their devs complain here...

Re: Kubernetes Ingress Nginx is retiring

#109
post #69

Kubernetes is never maturing. It keeps moving. An installation just a year ago would have things that would require significant planning to upgrade. What is missing is an open source orchestrator that has a feature freeze and isn't Nomad or docker swarm.

Just out of curiosity, what's wrong with either of those two?

Docker is not for production. Nomad at scale in practice needs a lot of load-bearing Bash scripts around it: for managing certs, for external DNS, you need Consul for service discovery, Vault for secrets.

At that point, is Nomad still simple? If you're going to take on all of the essential complexity of deploying software at scale, just do it right and use Kubernetes.

Source: running thousands of containers in production.

Re: Kubernetes Ingress Nginx is retiring

#110
post #19

How do you people even keep up with this? I'm going back to cybersecurity after trying DevOps for a year, it's not for me. I miss my sysadmin days, things were simple back then and worked. Maybe I'm just getting old and my cognitive abilities are declining. It seems to me that the current tech scene doesn't reward simple.

> things were simple back then If you were working in the orgs targeted by k8s, I think it was generally more of a mess. Think about managing a park of 100~200 servers with home made bash scripts and crappy monitoring tools and a modicum of dashboards. Now, k8s has engulfed a lot more than the primary target, but smaller shops go for it because they'r also hoping to hit it big someday I guess. Otherwise, there will b…

I managed 1000+ VMs without k8s with an orchestrator that less code than most k8s manifests I've had to work with since.

I fully accept that there are sizes and complexities where k8s is a reasonable choice, and sometimes it's a reasonable choice because it's easier to hire for, but the bar should be a lot higher than what it currently is.

It's a reason why I'm putting together alternatives for those of my clients who wants to avoid the complexity.

Post reply on HN