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Re: Zed is our office

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Post by mikaylamaki »

nixpulvis wrote: post #95
mikaylamaki wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, we no longer support self hosting. We're planning on reintroducing it once we've polished the single player experience a bit more :)

Oh, that's unfortunate. Why not support it at all, even if just for people who are kinda hacking it in?

We’ve been growing and have had to scale authentication beyond what our original collab server could handle. Not many people are using collab yet, we’re prioritizing non-collaborative features (like our recent Windows release), and we’re planning on rebuilding all of this on top of DeltaDB. Fundamentally, it just fell through the cracks.

Self hosting will be a vital feature for users and enterprises though, we’re planning on revisiting it once we have a few more features settled :D

Re: Zed is our office

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Post by BinaryPie »

I generally like what Zed is trying to become. However, all of these features and blog posts are frustraing when they struggle to keep basic editor features stable. Edit a file outside of the editor? It's not going to show up in the project pane or the git diff. Need to work inside a container because it's 2025 and we don't need to clutter our local machine with 100s of dependencies and env managers... well now all the AI stuff is broken. ACP sounds cool until you realize every single CLI in existence works better.

My wish is that Zed gets the core working correctly 100% of the time before moving on to expanding feature sets. For now I'm back in NeoVIM because it always works the first time....

https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/issues/38109

Hopefully soon I can give it another shot at full time usage.

Re: Zed is our office

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Post by ModernMech »

robinhood wrote: post #85

Technically really impressive. In practice, completely unpractical in any medium to large organization. And although I adore Zed's speed and reliability, I still don't understand why we need these features at all.

Because "maximum editor" was achieved with Visual Studio Code (which is why all these new editors look and feel like VSC), the same way "maximum toothbrush" was achieved with the electric toothbrush. But the toothbrush industry had to keep going, so now we have a $400 bluetooth connected toothbrush-as-a-service that monitors your brushing habits to optimize teeth cleanliness, with brush heads that cost more than 5 regular toothbrushes.

Zed and the current crop of AI editors (including VSC itself) are that toothbrush.

Re: Zed is our office

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Post by pprotas »

verdverm wrote: post #96

I really really don't want comms or multiplayer tools in my IDE. Don't bring the attention economy to my cave of solitude, it's where I go to escape all that noise

I removed the collaboration panel from my bottom bar and don’t have to deal with it at all. Can recommend

Re: Zed is our office

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Post by kriops »

sunnyps wrote: post #98

> Despite attempts to make Atom—an Electron application—more responsive, it never reached the performance standards the team yearned for. This feels like an attempt at deflecting blame. VSCode is another Electron application that ended up having better performance than Atom. There's another Electron adjacent application that has good performance , the one you're probably using right now to read this page. Depending o…

What are you saying here? It is true that VS Code is less bad in terms of responsiveness in comparison to Atom. Zed, however, is written in Rust (i.e., not Electron), and I would guess it is at least an order of magnitude more responsive than VS Code across every possible scenario.

Web technologies are an unrivaled technological marvel for what they are, but it is disingenuous to imply they represent anything near the peak of what we are capable of in the context of performance.

Re: Zed is our office

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Post by bitbasher »

Maybe I'm old, jaded, stubborn and paranoid, but something about a coding editor that is controlled by a company is off-putting to me. It's even more off-putting when you add Zoom, Slack and everything else into said editor.

Re: Zed is our office

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Post by xpe »

wateralien wrote: post #10
drcongo wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's just pair programming when you're doing it on code so if you can bear pair programming you'll be fine. Personally, I hate it.

Actively programming in pairs (or more) is also not for me. Reviewing work async is great IMO though.

Yeah, people are different, but a lot of this difference results from various constraints, such as cultural practices around collaboration or technological options. Many of these limitations probably shouldn't be locked in by our tools or norms.

When learning a new way of thinking or moving (i.e. martial arts) people often really benefit from high-bandwidth, low-latency, shared-viewport-onto-reality interactions. Watching someone's cursor move while they talk is one way to get a window into their problem-solving toolkit.

Re: Zed is our office

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Post by olejorgenb »

travisgriggs wrote: post #99

I like Zed. I pay for pro. I like the integrated agent stuff (though my usage model has changed a bit after 5 months of use). I'm happy that others can type in each others' space, but this post reveals a tension here. They are building a tool for building the tool, and their own team. I think that's cool, but at a 2-3 person shop heavy polyglotted across 4 OSes and 5+ programming languages, this is not what I really…

> What I mostly want from Zed is the ability to see the outline panel at the same time as the directory panel

You can do this now by moving one of them to the right dock (right-click the toggle-button)

Re: Zed is our office

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Post by bluehatbrit »

nixpulvis wrote: post #48

I would love to see collab servers take the same path as LSPs in being standarized and integrated across various editors and IDEs. I would love to work more closely with my VSCode peers, for example. Of course some features may be outside the standard and only supported with likewise editors, e.g. voice chat perhaps, but having shared cursors and a text chat would be a good start.

This is what I'd like to see as well. These collaboration tools are really good, but I barely use them because they always assume that you and your team are using the same editor. Most of the time that's just not the case, so I've used them a handful of times but beyond that there's little opportunity.

It's probably not an issue the Zed team will experience as they're all naturally using their own editor. Hopefully it's on their radar though.

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