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Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

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Post by willio58 »

astroflection wrote: post #11
willio58 wrote: post #4

I’m still waiting for the day where 100% of state drivers licenses are supported in wallet and anyone requesting ID are required to accept them. Quite literally the only reason I have a wallet these days is for the drivers license.

Nope. I will continue to have a DL card so I can choose to leave my phone at home. When we are required to have our IDs on our person at all times I can at least not be tracked everywhere I go. Be watchful for legislation requiring: * us to have our ID on our person at all times. * IDs to be issued in digital format only.

To be clear I don’t want either of those laws to be passed, but I’d like the option to have it on my phone and require police to respect it

Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

#102

Post by tzs »

mystifyingpoi wrote: post #54
willio58 wrote: post #4

I’m still waiting for the day where 100% of state drivers licenses are supported in wallet and anyone requesting ID are required to accept them. Quite literally the only reason I have a wallet these days is for the drivers license.

Geniuine question, why can't you just have your license in your car at all times?

In the US if you need a state ID card and a driver's license those are generally combined into a single card. They usually only need its driver's license functionality when they are driving but often need its ID card functionality when they are away from the car and so it generally goes with them.

Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

#103

Post by insane_dreamer »

baggy_trough wrote: post #38
SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have to show ID to vote in my country, I thought that was the normal thing.

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> leftists fight as hard as they can for an insecure and unverified voting process

that is false

what they fight for is a voting process that provides equal access to voting by all citizens

for those from Europe who wonder why this is even an issue when voting is the most basic of rights in a democracy, the US has a terrible history of voter suppression, especially of African Americans, where local systems were intentionally designed to make it as difficult for them to vote; this still happens today

the fact that voting takes place on a weekday, and you don't get a day off from work to do it, and polling stations in poorer areas are removed or have restricted hours, is one example of how the right to vote is stacked against poorer working class people

this is why some states allow you to vote by mail, which Trump is desperately trying to outlaw

if you're worried about insecure voting processes, lets take a look at the companies who own the electronic voting machines

Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

#104

Post by acdha »

0x457 wrote: post #83
blackqueeriroh wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the United States, getting an ID is expensive and time-consuming and is often inaccessible to many people, particularly those who don’t speak English, are poor, or work service jobs. These people are the same people who are historically marginalized and oppressed. This is why voter ID laws in the United States are fundamentally anti-democratic and disenfranchising. If IDs were free and incredibly easy to get, I wo…

> In the United States, getting an ID is expensive and time-consuming and is often inaccessible to many people, particularly those who don’t speak English, are poor, or work service jobs. No to all of that? Passport book (which you don't need unless you travel internationally) cost 165 USD per 10 years. Time-consuming...it's a one short trip to local-ish post office (not every post office has passport services). Sure…

Yes to all of that. Your experience is not universally shared, and the people who are affected disproportionately belong to specific groups which have been discriminated against in the past (e.g. Native Americans on a reservation are more likely not to have a short trip to a local post office).

Here’s a summary from 2012 by people who study this professionally:

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/vote...

I would also note that in theory, this is a fixable problem and no election security expert I’ve heard of opposes doing it in the right order (make ID universally available before disenfranchising anyone), they’re just quick to note that there’s absolutely no evidence that it would make a difference in outcomes despite the high cost.

Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

#105

Post by tzs »

willio58 wrote: post #4

I’m still waiting for the day where 100% of state drivers licenses are supported in wallet and anyone requesting ID are required to accept them. Quite literally the only reason I have a wallet these days is for the drivers license.

Unless your state issues wimpy driver's licenses that fall apart if not kept in a wallet why bother with the wallet?

I just carry my driver's license, a credit card, a health insurance card, and an Orca card [1] loose in a pants pocket.

[1] Stored value card for several transit agencies in the Puget Sound region of Washington.

Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

#106

Post by acdha »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #78
blackqueeriroh wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the United States, getting an ID is expensive and time-consuming and is often inaccessible to many people, particularly those who don’t speak English, are poor, or work service jobs. These people are the same people who are historically marginalized and oppressed. This is why voter ID laws in the United States are fundamentally anti-democratic and disenfranchising. If IDs were free and incredibly easy to get, I wo…

How do they buy alcohol?

40% of Americans never do, and many of the people who do don’t buy it themselves. For example, elderly people are one of the groups which disproportionately lack current photo ID but would also be more likely to have relatives helping with their shopping or simply not being carded either because they’re visibly far past the limit or have been buying at the same place for ages.

Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

#107

Post by tzs »

atonse wrote: post #67
blackqueeriroh wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the United States, getting an ID is expensive and time-consuming and is often inaccessible to many people, particularly those who don’t speak English, are poor, or work service jobs. These people are the same people who are historically marginalized and oppressed. This is why voter ID laws in the United States are fundamentally anti-democratic and disenfranchising. If IDs were free and incredibly easy to get, I wo…

I hear this a lot, can you give me any examples of how these IDs are inaccessible? Can you please give concrete examples of what is asked for that feels onerous, or any specific cases where people aren't able to get IDs? For example, I know that Maryland DMV will even offer a translator to help you with your driving test. I'm not sure why, because all signs are in English. I have seen exactly the opposite, that at le…

Here's a comment [1] from a discussion a prior thread that contains a whole bunch of links to why ID is very hard to get for many eligible voters.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42116609

Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

#108

Post by tzs »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #78
blackqueeriroh wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the United States, getting an ID is expensive and time-consuming and is often inaccessible to many people, particularly those who don’t speak English, are poor, or work service jobs. These people are the same people who are historically marginalized and oppressed. This is why voter ID laws in the United States are fundamentally anti-democratic and disenfranchising. If IDs were free and incredibly easy to get, I wo…

How do they buy alcohol?

Ask a friend who does have ID to pick up your alcohol?

Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

#109

Post by tzs »

0x457 wrote: post #83
blackqueeriroh wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the United States, getting an ID is expensive and time-consuming and is often inaccessible to many people, particularly those who don’t speak English, are poor, or work service jobs. These people are the same people who are historically marginalized and oppressed. This is why voter ID laws in the United States are fundamentally anti-democratic and disenfranchising. If IDs were free and incredibly easy to get, I wo…

> In the United States, getting an ID is expensive and time-consuming and is often inaccessible to many people, particularly those who don’t speak English, are poor, or work service jobs. No to all of that? Passport book (which you don't need unless you travel internationally) cost 165 USD per 10 years. Time-consuming...it's a one short trip to local-ish post office (not every post office has passport services). Sure…

> No to all of that? Passport book (which you don't need unless you travel internationally) cost 165 USD per 10 years.

This won't work for people who don't have a government issued photo ID because you need a government issued photo ID to get a passport. If you can get a passport then you've already got what you need to vote in the states with voter ID laws.

Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

#110

Post by saguntum »

sublimefire wrote: post #14

There was a post from trailofbits blog recently about how passport crypto works. Kind of related here. I wonder if this is some zero knowledge proofs here or what? Reading the passport and its chip implies some terminal authentication capabilities coming from Apple devices. Passport would not allow reading sensitive data from the chip unless the terminal is valid. Another question is if Apple is allowed to read your…

Link to the blog for anyone else looking

https://blog.trailofbits.com/2025/10/31/the-cryptography-beh...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45770875

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