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Why Nietzsche matters in the age of artificial intelligence

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Re: Why Nietzsche matters in the age of artificial intelligence

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I'm so torn about this article. On the one hand, it's great to see technologists engaging more with philosophy—arguably the technological landscape we currently have would h ave been much better if they had done so more deeply and more frequently. On the other hand, this is a pretty shallow article and does not, on my read, offer anything to anyone even vaguely familiar with technology and Nietzsche's philosophy. A m…

I hate to be the one to say this, but this article reads as though it was written by an LLM. The shallowness is one reason. Another is the lack of any individual voice that would suggest a human author. And there are the unsupported citations and references: The sentence “The World Economic Forum’s 2023 Future of Jobs report estimates 83 million jobs may be displaced globally, disproportionately affecting low- and mi…

In addition to this, another telltale sign of LLM authorship are the repeated forced attempts to draw connections or parallels where they're nonsensical, trying to fulfill an essay prompt that doesn't - in those instances - have much meat to it.

    > As AI systems increasingly mediate decisions [...], decisions once 
    > grounded in social norms and public deliberation now unfold within 
    > technical infrastructure, beyond the reach of democratic oversight.

    > This condition parallels the cultural dislocation Nietzsche observed in 
    > modern Europe, where the decline of metaphysical and religious authorities 
    > undermined society’s ability to sustain shared ethical meaning. In both 
    > cases, individuals are left navigating fragmented norms without clear 
    > foundations or frameworks for trust and responsibility. Algorithmic 
    > systems now make value-laden choices, about risk, fairness, and worth, 
    > without mechanisms for public deliberation, reinforcing privatized, 
    > reactive ethics.
Note how "algorithmic systems" making "value-laden choices" reinforcing "privatized, reactive ethics" has absolutely nothing to do with the spiritual value collapse that Nietzsche, who was uninterested in or even opposed to critiques of power structures, and who wasn't much impressed by the whole idea of democracy, saw in 19th century Europe. While the criticism of AI systems being beyond the reach of democratic oversight is a common and perfectly valid one, it just simply doesn't touch on Nietzsche's philosophy; yet the LLM piece uses language and turns of phrase ("parallels", "in both cases") to make it sound as if there were a connection.

If I am strongly opposed to anti-democratic opaque AI surveillance machines, then I am not an individual "left navigating fragmented norms without clear foundations", on the contrary, my foundations are quite clear indeed; and on the other hand, increased automation causing the erosion of "frameworks for trust and responsibility" seems more likely to be welcomed by Nietzsche, who had little patience for moral affectations like responsibility, than opposed.

Re: Why Nietzsche matters in the age of artificial intelligence

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gertz speaks at tech conferences and that’s how I came across his work https://youtu.be/mcPFs5im2bs?si=DeEcWROAWBjR-RVu

Any book about technology's effects on society written before 2022 needs a massive update since the LLM revolution. Sadly, Gertz's "Technology and nihilism" was published in 2018.

He has an updated 2024 edition

Edit: a link for the interested.. https://www.bloomsbury.com/us/nihilism-and-technology-978153...

Re: Why Nietzsche matters in the age of artificial intelligence

#104

I'm so torn about this article. On the one hand, it's great to see technologists engaging more with philosophy—arguably the technological landscape we currently have would h ave been much better if they had done so more deeply and more frequently. On the other hand, this is a pretty shallow article and does not, on my read, offer anything to anyone even vaguely familiar with technology and Nietzsche's philosophy. A m…

Indeed. The attempt to weave Nietzsche into the article seems forced, almost as if the author just read a commentary on Nietzsche or didn't actually have anything of substance to say to begin with. We have some observations about the effects people expect AI to have on things like work and some bullet points that looked like they've been cribbed from an LLM summary of Nietzsche's works. And then, at best, what? Hand-wavy imperatives that suggest we overcome or adapt the shift AI will cause in Nietzschean fashion?

Pretty vacuous.

Re: Why Nietzsche matters in the age of artificial intelligence

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post #51

It's sad that many nihilists think like that life is meaningless, there's no point in trying. Nihilism suggests our lives don't have inherent purposes defined by religion or culture. That means we can define our own purposes and values of lives, not by following a god packaged with harmful commandments. Many people feel fulfilled when they notice small improvements or helping others for tiny things, and they're grate…

> Younger people tend to have nihilistic ideas

One of the strangest phenomena (to me) is the phenomenon of young people stealing cars, then driving them around in circles, in the middle of some city no less, until they burn out and catch fire. Apparently it's fun for some. They're called "street takeovers".

Re: Why Nietzsche matters in the age of artificial intelligence

#106
post #51

It's sad that many nihilists think like that life is meaningless, there's no point in trying. Nihilism suggests our lives don't have inherent purposes defined by religion or culture. That means we can define our own purposes and values of lives, not by following a god packaged with harmful commandments. Many people feel fulfilled when they notice small improvements or helping others for tiny things, and they're grate…

The obvious problem with nihilism is that ultimately everything is ungrounded and there are no moral truths. Some people are naturally altruistic and feel fulfilled when helping others, others are naturally sadistic and feel fulfilled when torturing others. Nihilism means these are fundamentally equal impulses. This is why humans invented various religious systems and philosophies to provide grounding for absolute mo…

Moral truths are a lesser form of truth. There are truths that bind god itself in every possible universe (modally.)

There are grounded, binding falses/truths from which man cannot escape, things so wrong that to call them "value" wrongs is to try and reduce the universal wrongness of the action.

Actions that are wrong for everyone, even God, god or gods, for all time, in all possible universes.

Value wrongs are different than other kinds of wrongs, we make them for ourselves, they can also be true without a god, there is a lot written on this topic.

But man doesn't need god for absolute truths that govern their lives and weighs their actions to exist, doesn't need god for eschatological consequences, etc.

Re: Why Nietzsche matters in the age of artificial intelligence

#107

Nietzsche is brilliant and the best thing he did was to inspire other people to their own thoughts. That is what was needed then and needed now, and at all times. The article didn't share much insight but glad to see him talked about, if only because it gives us permission to talk about deep things. Everybody should embrace their role as philosopher, take it seriously, and develop themselves- and through that, prompt…

Amen! Philosophy is a personal and life long process of improvement. Everyone, knowingly or not, is a philosopher. Just the act of living is philosophy. If possible, live consciously and do not go through the motions. It will deepen and enrich your life, and hopefully, bring meaning into it.

Re: Why Nietzsche matters in the age of artificial intelligence

#108
this article sucks and completely misses nietzsche in a lot of ways.

he talks of the Overman but doesn't connect it to AI or the genealogy of morals.

"thus as you are to the ape, so should the Overman be to you" -- with the idea that our morals and everything we believe, while sharing some bits with the ape, is also far different. What does an ape know about the DMV, or option calls?

So too will the AI be to us. It will practice instead of black and white morality, blue vs. orange. True AGI will either be totally alien and rage against us, a la The Terminator, or else hit a singularity and politely fuck-off a la the movie Her.

“You have made your way from worm to man, and much in you is still worm.”

Re: Why Nietzsche matters in the age of artificial intelligence

#109

Funny, some philosophers which wrote about how technology and AI are going to replace humanity - Deleuze & Guatarri, and Nick Land trace their thinking back to Nietzche, saying that "will to power" and "becoming" is exactly how AI takes shape and incorporates itself.

Did Deleuze & Guatarri explicitly comment on the topic of capitalism / technology / AI? I know that their concept of deterritorialization / desiring-production has certainly influenced Nick Land's accelerationist writings, but haven't heard anything about it from D&G themselves.

as usual with philosophers, you need to decrypt them first

> His philosophy had already stripped away the illusions that would later make “artificial intelligence” look like some epochal rupture. What Silicon Valley insists on calling a breakthrough, Deleuze would treat as another fold in an ancient drift: intelligence was always artificial. There never was a natural thought, no divine spark, no transcendental gift of reason bestowed on Homo sapiens like a medal for good behavior. There is only the machinic phylum — matter in flux, endlessly inventing itself, folding into habits, sedimenting into patterns, crystallizing into programs. Thought is not a privilege of the skull but an immanent property of matter that learns to think itself through circuits, symbols, and flows

https://socialecologies.wordpress.com/2025/08/16/deleuze-tec...

Re: Why Nietzsche matters in the age of artificial intelligence

#110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't read anything about a connection between technology and philosophy. Its more about finding meaning in a world that has been over technologised.

How is "finding meaning in a world that has been over technologised." anything other than an intersection of philosophy and technology?

It sounds like one begets the other and it appears to me both are independent.
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