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Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #42
notepad0x90 wrote: post #36

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> No matter what, the whole ICE acting like the SS thing will only result in more illegal migration in the long term, like a lot more. How so? What mechanism do you see that goes from "ICE acting like the SS" to "a lot more illegal migration in the long term"? What's the cause and effect here? Not saying you're wrong, necessarily, just... I don't see the causality at all.

A large number of people, myself included, are now radicalized against the concept of immigration enforcement. I think everyone has a duty to make sure that ICE is as ineffective as possible and ICE agents are as miserable as possible. There's a lot of talk, for example, about how the asylum system is easily abusable; that's true, but now we will not be able to fix it because no immigration reform compromise that doesn't destroy ICE is acceptable.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by theultdev »

hobs wrote: post #33
ls612 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the sorts of ICE actions that are causing this controversy only have political support because the US immigration laws have been flouted for 30+ years. Regardless of what you or I think of it it’s the reality that lots of the electorate wants deportations and lots of them and that likely isn’t true in a world where the laws on the books were more strictly enforced in the past.

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You're conflating illegal immigration with immigration.

In no way is illegal immigration "good for America".

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by boston_clone »

nailer wrote: post #43
lalaithion wrote: post #25

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> your silly hypothetical too. The stats for Southwest Land Border Encounters are available at https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/southwest-land-border-enc... and the HN guidelines are available at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by cipehr »

dylan604 wrote: post #98
cipehr wrote: post #83

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Awesome, thank you for the input. I suspected NASA was operating this way, but I had no idea there was a period of exclusivity. In the case of NASA, the private companies are those like JPL and the sorts I guess? I assume it is/was similar with other data collected, like weather data/radar, oceanic current/buoy data, etc?

I read about this regarding Hubble imagery, but pretty sure it applies to all missions funded by tax payers. The teams requesting time from the platforms are granted exclusive time to work out what they need so they can publish their papers for credit and what not. One of the great things here is that most of the teams are so focused on their specific criteria in the data, they sort of lose the forest in the tree. On…

Fascinating thank you.

> Once that data has been released to the public, more and more interesting things are being found in the existing data rather than requiring new observations.

Really highlights the value of the data being public, which I feel is often overlooked now a days. Hard to tie KPIs to value that comes like this.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by soupfordummies »

seltzered_ wrote: post #50

"On Thursday, a Skagit County Superior Court judge ruled that pictures taken by Flock cameras in the cities of Sedro-Woolley and Stanwood qualify as public records, and therefore must be released as required by the state’s Public Records Act, court records show." This video by Tom Lehto talks more about that court case that illustrates citizens can legally do FOIA requests for traffic cameras (e.g. Flock): https://yo…

Someone should use AI to request such a large amount of data that it DDoSes the whole system. Unfortunately I feel like that would result in traffic camera data just being removed from FOIA rather than removed from use.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by brookst »

notyourwork wrote: post #99
Tadpole9181 wrote: post #84

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Weird. There's an article right here showing them turning off the cameras when the line was crossed and now that data can't be used the way they don't want. So clearly we're allowed more nuanced takes than you think.

Reactivity isn’t proactively protecting what you belief. It’s reacting to public outcry for the original premise.

Are you proposing everyone make the optimal decision in advance, when outcomes are all speculative, and just be sure to get it right so there’s no need to learn and adapt to circumstances?

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by brookst »

Tadpole9181 wrote: post #82
pton_xd wrote: post #12

What did they think would happen? Installing surveillance systems to monitor people is acceptable, as long as they're only used against the majority? I don't understand the logic here.

You don't understand why they may want surveillance to curb or investigate violent crime, but not why they oppose surveillance used by the Gestapo to kidnap members of their community? Seriously? It's like saying I'm hypocritical for loving to write with pencils but being offended when someone else stabs me with one. > Bro, you said you liked pencils, make up your mind!

If stabbing people is so wrong, why don’t we lock up all the surgeons?

Of all the poor thinking and rhetorical skills out there, the one that drives me the craziest is this insistence that ignoring context is not just acceptable but essential.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by [deleted] »

notepad0x90 wrote: post #94
gwbas1c wrote: post #85

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> No matter what, the whole ICE acting like the SS thing will only result in more illegal migration in the long term, like a lot more. I don't follow. Illegal immigration into the US is down right now. So, how did you arrive at that conclusion?

It's a pendulum, the next administration will react in the other direction, possibly very dramatically.

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Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by dfxm12 »

ls612 wrote: post #29
willk wrote: post #16

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I don’t buy that for a second. Governments always want more control, and this is just another way for them to get it.

But the sorts of ICE actions that are causing this controversy only have political support because the US immigration laws have been flouted for 30+ years. Regardless of what you or I think of it it’s the reality that lots of the electorate wants deportations and lots of them and that likely isn’t true in a world where the laws on the books were more strictly enforced in the past.

What political support? Is there evidence to back that claim? The most recent polls I've seen about this are Gallup's polls from July and they suggest that 62% of Americans disapprove of how Trump is handling immigration. This includes a majority of Dems and Independents. The trend is more and more people disapprove of Trump on this topic as time moves forward.
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