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Re: Boring Company fined nearly $500K after it dumped drilling fluids into manholes

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Post by charcircuit »

dns_snek wrote: post #88
charcircuit wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would assume treating to the highest standard would mean they remove things such as chemicals that cause chemical burns from the water which would mean it doesn't reach the natural waterways.

Why do you assume that society would subsidize your chemical waste processing? Why do you feel entitled to break laws without consequence? The system is clearly designed to transport and treat typical sewer water and not arbitrary toxic, corrosive, volatile, or otherwise undesirable chemicals from commercial operations, for pretty obvious reasons.

>society would subsidize

If doing something makes a profit, you don't need to subsidize it.

>Why do you feel entitled to break laws without consequence?

I have never stated that. I am actually for the opposite that with AI we should scale law enforcement to almost always be able to catch people violating laws. My initial comment in this thread is providing a contrasting view point about how the fine is a fair punishment when viewed in relation to how much damage is being caused. I wanted to provide contrast on how the fine's amount could make sense.

Re: Boring Company fined nearly $500K after it dumped drilling fluids into manholes

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Post by ETH_start »

ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #90
ETH_start wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Yes, other things deserve investigation, but so does this. I was not trying to imply that this does not deserve investigation. I just thought that it was relevant to point out the agenda or ideological bias of the source because it helps to know these kinds of things. > And there's plenty of right-wing media — in fact I'd argue too much such that there's a lack of balance in US media. Journalists are overwhelmingly…

> I was not trying to imply that this does not deserve investigation. I just thought that it was relevant to point out the agenda or ideological bias of the source because it helps to know these kinds of things. As noble as your intentions may be, it's unnecessary and muddies the conversation if you keep adding cherry-picked information about your view of the politics of those involved. Also, "left-wing" and "right-w…

The views of the politics of those involved is not controversial. They are very much part of the American left, as their X feed makes abundantly clear.

Re: Boring Company fined nearly $500K after it dumped drilling fluids into manholes

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Post by ETH_start »

hvb2 wrote: post #94
ETH_start wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The systematic bias arises from story selection, not from whether a specific investigation is accurate. So I am absolutely not suggesting this story is not accurate or that Boring Company isn't at fault. In the long run selective coverage creates an inaccurate picture of reality: constant stories about private greed, almost none about institutional self-dealing within the state.

So what outlet would choose to not cover this? One that doesn't care? I think you misunderstand the whole concept of journalism. They report, you interpret. Left wing or right wing might matter in what words they choose, to influence your perception. Not reporting something like this is not bias, that's just not caring.

I never said that they shouldn't cover this. In fact, it's maybe reasonable that people with agendas do investigative journalism that only covers the malfeasance of one side and faction. I'm not really sure. I certainly wouldn't discourage any outfit to do credible reporting on any story just because it might help or harm another side or just because they might or might not have biases. But that being said, I do think it's worth pointing out that the outfit does have a bias. What's the harm of letting people know?

Re: Boring Company fined nearly $500K after it dumped drilling fluids into manholes

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

ETH_start wrote: post #102
ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I was not trying to imply that this does not deserve investigation. I just thought that it was relevant to point out the agenda or ideological bias of the source because it helps to know these kinds of things. As noble as your intentions may be, it's unnecessary and muddies the conversation if you keep adding cherry-picked information about your view of the politics of those involved. Also, "left-wing" and "right-w…

The views of the politics of those involved is not controversial. They are very much part of the American left, as their X feed makes abundantly clear.

As I understand it, X is a cesspit of right-wing hate and vitriol, so I wouldn't trust their evaluation of "left". As I said, it's really not a useful term to use and you're diverting the discussion away from the issues involved to a discussion of politics instead. Your comments come across as if you're trying to push a specific narrative.

Re: Boring Company fined nearly $500K after it dumped drilling fluids into manholes

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Post by ETH_start »

ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #104
ETH_start wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The views of the politics of those involved is not controversial. They are very much part of the American left, as their X feed makes abundantly clear.

As I understand it, X is a cesspit of right-wing hate and vitriol, so I wouldn't trust their evaluation of "left". As I said, it's really not a useful term to use and you're diverting the discussion away from the issues involved to a discussion of politics instead. Your comments come across as if you're trying to push a specific narrative.

Please don't take my words for it. See their X feed and judge for themselves whether they have a partisan agenda:

https://x.com/propublica

I think where an outlet stands in the larger political landscape is useful context and there's nothing distracting or inappropriate about bringing it up, so we can agree to disagree.

Re: Boring Company fined nearly $500K after it dumped drilling fluids into manholes

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

ETH_start wrote: post #105
ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I understand it, X is a cesspit of right-wing hate and vitriol, so I wouldn't trust their evaluation of "left". As I said, it's really not a useful term to use and you're diverting the discussion away from the issues involved to a discussion of politics instead. Your comments come across as if you're trying to push a specific narrative.

Please don't take my words for it. See their X feed and judge for themselves whether they have a partisan agenda: https://x.com/propublica I think where an outlet stands in the larger political landscape is useful context and there's nothing distracting or inappropriate about bringing it up, so we can agree to disagree.

I don't plan on visiting that site whilst it's being run by a blatant Nazi. There was a literal world war to stop that kind of evil and yet people seem to have forgotten. I hope you are not one of those people - I'm always suspicious of anyone that continues to use X/Twitter.

It's funny, Musk has enough money to end world hunger and instead he decides to be a complete arsehole.

Re: Boring Company fined nearly $500K after it dumped drilling fluids into manholes

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Post by port11 »

ETH_start wrote: post #86
port11 wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pure whataboutism, come on. Yes, other things deserve investigation, but so does this. And there's plenty of right-wing media — in fact I'd argue too much such that there's a lack of balance in US media.

> Yes, other things deserve investigation, but so does this. I was not trying to imply that this does not deserve investigation. I just thought that it was relevant to point out the agenda or ideological bias of the source because it helps to know these kinds of things. > And there's plenty of right-wing media — in fact I'd argue too much such that there's a lack of balance in US media. Journalists are overwhelmingly…

Hmm, I don't agree that journalists are overwhelmingly left-wing. I can see how that'd be true since they're highly educated and that correlates.

But the sad reality is that most media channels in the US (maybe everywhere?) are corporations owned by a handful of very conservative people. Their agenda reflects that. Local media is almost fully right-wing. You can be a leftie journalist, but usually you won't go against editorial guidelines. At least that's why I've learned in school (studying media).

Re: Boring Company fined nearly $500K after it dumped drilling fluids into manholes

#108

Post by port11 »

ETH_start wrote: post #102
ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I was not trying to imply that this does not deserve investigation. I just thought that it was relevant to point out the agenda or ideological bias of the source because it helps to know these kinds of things. As noble as your intentions may be, it's unnecessary and muddies the conversation if you keep adding cherry-picked information about your view of the politics of those involved. Also, "left-wing" and "right-w…

The views of the politics of those involved is not controversial. They are very much part of the American left, as their X feed makes abundantly clear.

I couldn't open their X because it's a technological abomination, but their Bluesky doesn't paint the image of a blatantly left-wing and super partisan channel that willingly ignores reporting on the public sector.

Amongst the top 10 things I saw them complaining about a state government, public regulators not doing their job well… it's not dramatic.

Maybe it's my European lens indeed, but it seems like a generic centrist media outlet, with maybe an anti-elites edge, which I'd expect from the Fourth Estate.

Re: Boring Company fined nearly $500K after it dumped drilling fluids into manholes

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Post by ETH_start »

port11 wrote: post #108
ETH_start wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The views of the politics of those involved is not controversial. They are very much part of the American left, as their X feed makes abundantly clear.

I couldn't open their X because it's a technological abomination, but their Bluesky doesn't paint the image of a blatantly left-wing and super partisan channel that willingly ignores reporting on the public sector. Amongst the top 10 things I saw them complaining about a state government, public regulators not doing their job well… it's not dramatic. Maybe it's my European lens indeed, but it seems like a generic cen…

"Amongst the top 10 things I saw them complaining about a state government, public regulators not doing their job well… it's not dramatic."

Not doing their job of sufficiently constraining the private sector, which is just part of the same narrative of advocating for more state control.

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