Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Türkiye will not sell rare earth elements to the USA

ceenergynews.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

101–110 of 132 posts

Re: Türkiye will not sell rare earth elements to the USA

#101

Post by stackedinserter »

furkansahin wrote: post #16
stackedinserter wrote: post #5

Good news is that with allies like this we don't need enemies!

Maybe you guys should redefine who is your allies and enemies. Since the last one year or so even your allies feel like they are your enemies anyway. Tell me, who do you not have a beef with atm?

Allies are those who fight together.

The ones who are like "man, fight alone and we'll mock you for military spending" - are not. The ones who are like "yo we kinda support you in a fight, but we'll also pump money into your enemy" - are not either.

But I sorta agree to your point, current administration screw up their allies really hard, although I see it more like very bitter pill that hurts before healing.

BTW I'm not 'merican, I'm from Canada.

Re: Türkiye will not sell rare earth elements to the USA

#103

Post by furkansahin »

stackedinserter wrote: post #101
furkansahin wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe you guys should redefine who is your allies and enemies. Since the last one year or so even your allies feel like they are your enemies anyway. Tell me, who do you not have a beef with atm?

Allies are those who fight together. The ones who are like "man, fight alone and we'll mock you for military spending" - are not. The ones who are like "yo we kinda support you in a fight, but we'll also pump money into your enemy" - are not either. But I sorta agree to your point, current administration screw up their allies really hard, although I see it more like very bitter pill that hurts before healing. BTW I'm…

I don’t see the USA fighting together with Turkey in any area tbh. Turkey handled the Syria situation single handedly while getting blocked on F35 deals. From this side of the ocean, it looks like the bad brother has been the USA, not the other way around. Saying that, I hate our administration, too…

Re: Türkiye will not sell rare earth elements to the USA

#104

Post by braincat31415 »

bpodgursky wrote: post #61
braincat31415 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FAFO? Yet another moronic acronym of the day. Jeez...

This is a perfectly reasonable acronym to describe how Russia violates their neighbors' airspace just to push boundaries and be irritating.

I should blame the Russians then for introducing stupid acronyms into English language. It is not nice to use the word f!@k in a public forum, but wrapping it in a dumb acronym is just fine.

Re: Türkiye will not sell rare earth elements to the USA

#105

Post by maxglute »

StephenSmith wrote: post #34

Every country has rare earth elements. Just google "X discovers rare earth" where X is your country of choice and you'll find articles about how they have huge deposits. The underlying problem is the processing. China has figured this out and has cornered the market. Until other countries figure out how to process these materials, China will be able to leverage this capability to their advantage.

Not every country has economically extractable heavy rare earths, resource =/= reserve. X discovers rare earth is the same as X discovers plants, and then assume every country can build a robust biofuel economy. Reminder PRC has the MOST shale deposits in the world, they're just buried very deep and economically AND technically not productive to extract at scale.

PRC's main choke hold is HeavyREE, more specifically processing of ionic clays that is GEOGRAPHICALLY SCARCE like economically extractable oil deposits, which enables economic leeching of heavy strategic rare earth AT SCALE. Think hunting whales for blubber vs drilling oil, supports entirely different tiers of proliferation and use. At scale is key, west never used HREEs at scale until PRC commoditized them by exploiting specific geology mostly limited to south PRC, Myanmar, parts of Brazil but deposits now also found in Australia because Australia has everything. So the real question is can long will it take AU+co to discover and build the entire HREE infra based on deposit types only PRC has real experience with.

Re: Türkiye will not sell rare earth elements to the USA

#106

Post by School-Cotton »

happytoexplain wrote: post #76
School-Cotton wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what? The UN does not have the power to redefine what words mean in the English language, and neither does the Republic of Turkey. If Germany submitted an official letter somewhere purporting to change its English name to Deutschland, you should also not listen to them.

Why the hostility? It's not like they changed the name of the Black Sea to the Sea of Turkey. It's not a "fuck you" move. Just keep spelling it the old way if you care for some reason.

> Why the hostility?

Because the attempted name change is being done purely to stroke the ego of a right-wing authoritarian nationalist strongman. Attempts by such people to remake language according to their whims should be resisted whenever possible.

> It's not like they changed the name of the Black Sea to the Sea of Turkey.

I'm sure Erdogan would do just that if there were any realistic possibility that anybody would actually follow it. The "Türkiye" name change is as much as he thinks he can get away with.

Re: Türkiye will not sell rare earth elements to the USA

#107

Post by School-Cotton »

rafram wrote: post #81
ozgung wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a Turkish person I used to agree with you. Not anymore. My people don't want to be associated with an ugly bird and I respect that. Also we don't want an exception. We're ready to use Bharat, Deutschland or any other name in our language if those nations want that. Same for the city names. It's about respecting those countries and their people. Fun fact: India is Hindistan in Turkish which literally means Land of…

India's main official name is India. Bharat (from Sanskrit) is coequal according to the constitution, and Hindustan (from Persian) is also sometimes used.

That's mostly because English is one of the two official languages of India, and even the local native languages (at least as spoken by the English-educated middle class) are heavily influenced by English. Similar to how the Philippines are just called the Philippines (or Pilipinas, the closest approximation that is pronounceable in Tagalog), rather than a native-language name.

Re: Türkiye will not sell rare earth elements to the USA

#108

Post by redwood »

ozgung wrote: post #71
miroljub wrote: post #39

Off-Topic: Why Türkiye? Why not keep using Turkey in English? I know they changed their name to Türkiye, but why would we change it in our languages? We still use Germany instead of Deutschland, India instead of Bharat, and Italy instead of Italia. So why make an exception for Turkey?

As a Turkish person I used to agree with you. Not anymore. My people don't want to be associated with an ugly bird and I respect that. Also we don't want an exception. We're ready to use Bharat, Deutschland or any other name in our language if those nations want that. Same for the city names. It's about respecting those countries and their people. Fun fact: India is Hindistan in Turkish which literally means Land of…

It's a great bird.. in fact Benjamin Franklin proposed that it be the American bird. The bald eagle was chosen for whatever reason over that

Re: Türkiye will not sell rare earth elements to the USA

#109

Post by 0xEF »

School-Cotton wrote: post #87
0xEF wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There is also the pretty major issue that native English speakers cannot even pronounce "Türkiye", nor easily type it. Skill issue. I don't speak Turkish either, but it takes all of two minutes to look up and learn the pronunciation and how to type an umlaut over a U with a simple alt code. I mean, come on. The Turkish government isn't asking everyone to convert to Islam and get to a conversational level with the l…

> I don't speak Turkish either, but it takes all of two minutes to look up and learn the pronunciation I really doubt that you are pronouncing it correctly. The word Türkiye contains multiple sounds that don't exist in English. If you don't actually speak Turkish, you are surely just using some Anglicized approximate pronunciation, and in that case, why not just use the actual English word?

You do know that you can learn to make new sounds with your mouth, tongue and vocal chords right? You are aware that just because a particular language does not use a phoneme that does not eliminate your ability to reproduce it? I have a lot of fun learning how to make sounds and pronounce things properly from different languages, my latest being Danish, which is proving difficult but certainly far from impossible. Perhaps you should try it, sometime?

Despite your otherwise quality contributions to HN, you're coming off as a bit insane here. I hope you understand that, which is why I will continue to badger my point; there is no reason they can't ask that people use their preferred name. None. The only thing you do by continuing to argue against that point is push your own Anglicize-all-the-things notion of the world, which is certainly not shared by all, not even remotely.

Post reply on HN