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First recording of a dying human brain shows waves similar to memory flashbacks (2022)

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Re: First recording of a dying human brain shows waves similar to memory flashbacks (2022)

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Post by justupvoting »

hn_acc1 wrote: post #90
yolo3000 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've also lost it, around ~10 times so far. Never have any dreams or flashbacks. Just before passing out, I realize what's going to happen, but it's often too late. I only have a terrible headache afterwards.

10 times? Wow.. That seems like a lot.. AFAIK, even once is indication of potentially serious trauma.

Depends on the source. I've been doing nogi BJJ (not on the comp team: I am old, we train hard but not competition hard) about ten years or so.

People training technique will grey out pretty much routinely as they talk through things with their partners and work strategies for techniques.

People go out now and then, usually on purpose with folks who understand when it happens.

The BJJ community is mature at this point. There are folks on comp teams basically having fights every day. I suspect when those people go out, you are right. Damage is done and it accumulates.

I suspect when folks like me and my training partners go out, there is no trauma to speak of.

What is the net of this lifestyle? I don't know; I've had no major injuries (requiring surgery or major downtime-- popping the cartilage in your rib working top control drills will take fucking forever to heal tho), I've learned a lot, made good friends, and have only this life to spend as I see fit, so I can only anecdata.

But the understanding in our world is this: trauma is traumatic (and sometimes causes loss of consciousness, sometimes not), but not all loss of consciousness is traumatic.

Re: First recording of a dying human brain shows waves similar to memory flashbacks (2022)

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Post by pavlov »

avh02 wrote: post #98
lordnacho wrote: post #50

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For contrast, when I was put under with propofol for surgery, there was nothing. I thought I would gently fall asleep, but it was actually extremely fast. It went from "tell me about your life" which the anesthetist uses to check your state to "oh so came here for uni..." to "huh the surgery is over" in a single cut. Nothing in between, nothing like that thing you feel when before you fall asleep at night or wake up…

Had the same experience, what scared the crap out of me is that feeling of not even knowing you're out is how some people spend their last moment. Not just in surgery for example but in extreme other situations (nukes, titan sub, piano to the head, etc)... You're just there then you aren't and you don't even know. Shook me (lightly) for a while

Honestly it doesn’t sound too bad to me. Just blinking out of existence. No pain, no regret. So what’s there to be scared of?

Re: First recording of a dying human brain shows waves similar to memory flashbacks (2022)

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Post by iberator »

tirant wrote: post #15

I have lost consciousness several times in my life. Not a pleasurable experience specially as last time I did it because of such extreme pain that I thought I was passing away. However I have had always recollection of those seconds or minutes when I was unconscious: there was always an intense and quick succession of memories and images accompanied by sound. At some point the external sound from people trying to rea…

I had similar expirience. Time slowed down like 500x, and I had dream like visions and flashbacks - all within 1,2 seconds before hitting the ground.

From my perspective that was worth about 1h of dreaming normally.

Re: First recording of a dying human brain shows waves similar to memory flashbacks (2022)

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Post by thatguy0900 »

Llamamoe wrote: post #83
kakacik wrote: post #55

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Their life is shit already, that's why they act as they act, passing aggression on to others in vain effort to get rid of some of that 'evil' in them. I understand this knee-jerk reaction very well, but it just feeds the neverending spiral of aggression. We humans act like storage of both good and bad, it then comes back up in various situations. What I want to say - you just beating up a bully will mean some other k…

IIRC this is a misconception and bullies bully strategically to climb the social ladder and benefit from it. It's possible that they do it because they learned pathological systems of behaviour from pathological family/social experiences, but even if fighting back against them is also shitty, it beats enabling them to keep doing it (especially to you)

Social mean girl bullies maybe. A guy who chokes a 15 yr old til they lose consciousness is not trying to climb the social ladder though

Re: First recording of a dying human brain shows waves similar to memory flashbacks (2022)

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Post by hydrogen7800 »

bongodongobob wrote: post #84
vermilingua wrote: post #2

I’m sure there would be a long line of willing terminal and euthanasia patients who would join a study to record their final moments, I’m surprised this hasn’t been done yet.

Lmao. "After you're dead, let us know how it went."

This reminds me about the movie "Flatliners"[0] in my need-to-watch queue. Maybe this weekend.

[0]https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099582/?ref_=fn_t_2

Re: First recording of a dying human brain shows waves similar to memory flashbacks (2022)

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Post by harimau777 »

Tadpole9181 wrote: post #76
gausswho wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had heard something unsettling about anesthesia that I could use verification or debunking. The gist was that modern implementations suppress memory formation rather than induce unconsciousness. That you remain in some sense aware of what's happening but don't remember the experience. This is safer than traditional methods, but could potentially subject the patient to complex mental or emotional trauma. Is that acc…

No, it's just a creepypasta. Before surgery, you're given an amnestic to help reduce immediate anxiety and avoid remembering going into the OR and getting prepped - which people don't generally enjoy. Then you get the anesthesia, which puts you to sleep. They put you on a respirator, which - alongside helping your barely/non-working lungs - delivers a gaseous anesthesic to keep you asleep. Because some reactions to p…

Do you know how that usually applies to people with addiction problems who elect not to receive anesthesia? Do they generally receive everything except the pain killers?

Re: First recording of a dying human brain shows waves similar to memory flashbacks (2022)

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Post by Tadpole9181 »

harimau777 wrote: post #106
Tadpole9181 wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it's just a creepypasta. Before surgery, you're given an amnestic to help reduce immediate anxiety and avoid remembering going into the OR and getting prepped - which people don't generally enjoy. Then you get the anesthesia, which puts you to sleep. They put you on a respirator, which - alongside helping your barely/non-working lungs - delivers a gaseous anesthesic to keep you asleep. Because some reactions to p…

Do you know how that usually applies to people with addiction problems who elect not to receive anesthesia? Do they generally receive everything except the pain killers?

Yup!

Luckily, opioids can be swapped for other medications that are less effective, like high dose NSAIDs. There's also local anesthetics for some stuff.

Re: First recording of a dying human brain shows waves similar to memory flashbacks (2022)

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Post by aids_bomb »

thatguy0900 wrote: post #104
Llamamoe wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IIRC this is a misconception and bullies bully strategically to climb the social ladder and benefit from it. It's possible that they do it because they learned pathological systems of behaviour from pathological family/social experiences, but even if fighting back against them is also shitty, it beats enabling them to keep doing it (especially to you)

Social mean girl bullies maybe. A guy who chokes a 15 yr old til they lose consciousness is not trying to climb the social ladder though

Not until he becomes a cop or local politician that is.

Re: First recording of a dying human brain shows waves similar to memory flashbacks (2022)

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Post by pcrh »

Tadpole9181 wrote: post #76
gausswho wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had heard something unsettling about anesthesia that I could use verification or debunking. The gist was that modern implementations suppress memory formation rather than induce unconsciousness. That you remain in some sense aware of what's happening but don't remember the experience. This is safer than traditional methods, but could potentially subject the patient to complex mental or emotional trauma. Is that acc…

No, it's just a creepypasta. Before surgery, you're given an amnestic to help reduce immediate anxiety and avoid remembering going into the OR and getting prepped - which people don't generally enjoy. Then you get the anesthesia, which puts you to sleep. They put you on a respirator, which - alongside helping your barely/non-working lungs - delivers a gaseous anesthesic to keep you asleep. Because some reactions to p…

General anesthetics is definitely one of the weirder parts of medicine. It seems to have developed mostly by trial and error over hundreds of years, but it has obvious huge benefits. Imagine any kind of internal surgery being attempted without it!
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