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Vacuum bricked after user blocks data collection – user mods it to run anyway

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Re: Vacuum bricked after user blocks data collection – user mods it to run anyway

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Post by [deleted] »

godelski wrote: post #75
blueboo wrote: post #64

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Can't you trivially reframe the initial purchase as being subsidized by that license? Your $200 smart knife sharpener would be $300 if it weren't recording audio 24/7 (for VAD, surely!) I don't like it either but here we are

I think you frame it that way you need to offer the other version. I do wonder how many people would buy non-spy versions of devices given the option. More specifically, what that differential in price would be too. At worst it would be interesting to have a price explicitly stating what our data is worth. Many people actually internalize that it's not that valuable, but doing this would make it explicit.

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Re: Vacuum bricked after user blocks data collection – user mods it to run anyway

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Post by fukka42 »

StarGrit wrote: post #88
Mashimo wrote: post #81

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But what if I'm too lazy to vacuum 10 minutes a week and don't want to do it?

You could change your attitude. A vacuum cleaner is already a labour saving device

So could you. You're already using one labour saving device, why not another?

Re: Vacuum bricked after user blocks data collection – user mods it to run anyway

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Post by opan »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #99
0xffff2 wrote: post #67

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Sure, that's basically how Kindle pricing works ($X with ads, or $X+$Y without ads) and it's infinitely better having the choice. If Amazon ever gets rid of the without ad version they will lose me as a customer overnight. Likewise, there are a whole lot of products that don't have an "unsubsidized" version that I simply refuse to purchase (or have purchased and returned after confirming that they will not work when…

> If Amazon ever gets rid of the without ad version they will lose me as a customer overnight. A couple of years ago, I subscribed to Peacock Premium (or whatever it was called). The selling point was access to all their library. At that time, it was ad-free. It is now packed with ads, and they want me to upgrade to “Peacock Squeal Like A Pig,” or whatever they call it. Instead, I just canceled my subscription, and a…

I would encourage you to partake in sharing files with your neighbor, and on the occasion you feel strongly you want to support something, get that subscription for a month or buy some merch or similar to show you really appreciate what you watched.

Re: Vacuum bricked after user blocks data collection – user mods it to run anyway

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Post by StarGrit »

fukka42 wrote: post #102
StarGrit wrote: post #88

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You could change your attitude. A vacuum cleaner is already a labour saving device

So could you. You're already using one labour saving device, why not another?

Because it is relatively expensive, totally unnecessary and decadent and probably doesn't do a particularly good job (as people have admitted in their replies to me).

Additionally much like people ubering a McDonalds when the drive through is less than a 2 minute drive away. It actually causes additional headaches (food is more likely to come col and/or incorrect) and complications that don't exist with simply just spending a few minutes not being lazy is actually easier.

Re: Vacuum bricked after user blocks data collection – user mods it to run anyway

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Post by GJim »

immibis wrote: post #91
blueboo wrote: post #64

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Can't you trivially reframe the initial purchase as being subsidized by that license? Your $200 smart knife sharpener would be $300 if it weren't recording audio 24/7 (for VAD, surely!) I don't like it either but here we are

They should be forced to present both options, and the price difference must equal the revenue they actually make from spying.

Once again, I'm amazed some HN readers, like yourself, are unfamiliar with the basic tenets of the GDPR. (Hint: A company cannot provide a service on the condition that you provide unnecessary personal data or consent to spying)

If you work in a tech field, there is simply no reason for such ignorance.

Re: Vacuum bricked after user blocks data collection – user mods it to run anyway

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Post by witx »

brenainn wrote: post #41

A good time to point out https://github.com/Hypfer/Valetudo . I haven't tried it personally because my particular model of vacuum has some complicated and potentially destructive procedure to get the required access, but there's quite a few models where it can be installed easily.

From my understanding (I might be wrong) the images are pre-built by the owner of the project right? I remember there being a form you fill and you receive a download link.

If that's the case what guarantees do I have there's no "funny business" on the image?

Re: Vacuum bricked after user blocks data collection – user mods it to run anyway

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Post by hinkley »

ethin wrote: post #62

IMO a company should lose all control over technology once you've purchased it. Doesn't matter if it's "smart" or not. If the company wants to do something like telemetry, they can buy a license from you for that data. See how they like it when the tables are flipped.

This could be the sort of thing that a Nielsen takes care of, just like viewing data for TV.

Re: Vacuum bricked after user blocks data collection – user mods it to run anyway

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Post by erinnh »

StarGrit wrote: post #73
bastawhiz wrote: post #57

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When I bought my Roomba in 2013, it cost as much total as I pay my cleaning ladies to come once every two weeks. If your floors get dirty easily, it's not really going to get them spotless, but it'll get them far cleaner than they'd otherwise be.

But the cleaners do more than the floors. Vacuuming takes me about 20 minutes once a week. I don't really see the point when I live in a 2 bed apartment.

If 20 minutes is all you need once a week, yeah it maybe doesnt make sense for you.

I have a dog and need to vacuum at least once a day, currently.

Without a robot vacuum, Id go crazy.

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