Using "culture fit" to justify mass layoffs is, in fairness, probably a sign of a company's culture. Just not in the way they intended.
Amazon says it didn't cut people because of money. But because of 'culture'
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#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Is it really that much different if Amazon brings in a foreign worker to Seattle vs someone from Mississippi? in what way do you mean different? i would say it is wildly different
If you're worried about from poorer areas coming in and taking our jobs, how much distinction is there really whether they come from a poorer state or a poorer country? America has free and open trade within its borders. Nobody seems to mind that there are no visa restrictions on someone from Mississippi taking a job in California. The distinction we make between a foreigner coming to take a job and a domestic worker…
If people immigrate to America, the arrangement should be mutually beneficial.
We are not, and should not be, the self-appointed saviors of the world.
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#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Is it really that much different if Amazon brings in a foreign worker to Seattle vs someone from Mississippi? in what way do you mean different? i would say it is wildly different
If you're worried about from poorer areas coming in and taking our jobs, how much distinction is there really whether they come from a poorer state or a poorer country? America has free and open trade within its borders. Nobody seems to mind that there are no visa restrictions on someone from Mississippi taking a job in California. The distinction we make between a foreigner coming to take a job and a domestic worker…
hiring a foreign worker does not immediately reduce social burden on the country with the job
Re: Amazon says it didn't cut people because of money. But because of 'culture'
#104Amazon went from an innovative tech company with an efficient culture where builders could build and ship great products, and where promotions where based on merit, to a completely toxic bureaucratuc hellhole, where all decision making has been hijacked by sociopathic parasites who have learned to game the system for their own benefit. - most leadership, including technical, is now filled with compete imposters who h…
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#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
Be careful what you wish for. We could end up in a situation where we have unremarkable homes for $2 million and no local jobs capable of making the mortgage payments.
We are already pretty much there. Only probably a few percent can buy homes now in areas that have good job markets. The SF bay is firmly a 1%'er area now to buy a single family home. You need to now have two L5 incomes or so to even consider it...and somehow make that wage for 30 years... Yeah, no.
Thus, I rent an apartment, and I anticipate being a lifelong renter as long as I’m in the Bay Area. I also don’t anticipate being able to retire in the Bay Area, though that’s not for another 30 years. My long-term plan is to save a down payment for a vacation home somewhere affordable that I’ll use as my retirement home when the time comes.
Re: Amazon says it didn't cut people because of money. But because of 'culture'
#106From Jassy's blog post in September: >It’s created artifacts that we’d like to change (e.g., pre-meetings for the pre-meetings for the decision meetings, a longer line of managers feeling like they need to review a topic before it moves forward, owners of initiatives feeling less like they should make recommendations because the decision will be made elsewhere, etc.) [...] So, we’re asking each s-team organization to…
Their filings show that it is still mostly ICs. If you’re doing a cut of 15% of the company (or whatever the number is), that has to include a large number of ICs.
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#107The average tech CEO today is a much greater villian daily than the nationally reviled 'corporate raiders' of that time were a couple of times a year. I don't know WTF happened to this country.
Re: Amazon says it didn't cut people because of money. But because of 'culture'
#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Is it really that much different if Amazon brings in a foreign worker to Seattle vs someone from Mississippi? in what way do you mean different? i would say it is wildly different
If you're worried about from poorer areas coming in and taking our jobs, how much distinction is there really whether they come from a poorer state or a poorer country? America has free and open trade within its borders. Nobody seems to mind that there are no visa restrictions on someone from Mississippi taking a job in California. The distinction we make between a foreigner coming to take a job and a domestic worker…
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#109There's been a lot of debate around Amazon's hiring practices, particularly given the conflicting data and statements from the company. A core issue seems to be that Amazon has alienated a significant portion of its domestic engineering talent pool. Many experienced engineers have left, and others seem unwilling to return, even when offered higher-level roles. I personally was an L7 engineer and turned down a boomera…
The link you posted is broken. But I can tell you with fair certainty that Amazon's high turnover rate is NOT happening in their engineering departments, though. It's happening in their retail or business departments. I'm kind of horrified by the rise of anti-immigrant rhetoric in engineering circles online and how normalized it's becoming. (Especially troubling how much Indians in particular are drawing ire). Is it…
Re: Amazon says it didn't cut people because of money. But because of 'culture'
#110There's been a lot of debate around Amazon's hiring practices, particularly given the conflicting data and statements from the company. A core issue seems to be that Amazon has alienated a significant portion of its domestic engineering talent pool. Many experienced engineers have left, and others seem unwilling to return, even when offered higher-level roles. I personally was an L7 engineer and turned down a boomera…
The link you posted is broken. But I can tell you with fair certainty that Amazon's high turnover rate is NOT happening in their engineering departments, though. It's happening in their retail or business departments. I'm kind of horrified by the rise of anti-immigrant rhetoric in engineering circles online and how normalized it's becoming. (Especially troubling how much Indians in particular are drawing ire). Is it…
Agree, and it came on pretty suddenly as well, which is particularly horrifying. To me it shows how fragile civility and safety is. I see this type of sentiment showing up in the comment sections of YouTube videos on tech or financial topics recently. I think the reality is when people feel their own way of life and chance at becoming rich is at risk, they will search for whatever external risk they can eliminate. And increased competition (from foreign talent) is one such risk.
If it were just that, it would be one thing. But alongside the protectionism, I am seeing a lot of outright racist comments accompanying this backlash against immigrant labor. Like comments that play up stereotypes or worse. As a mild example, I see people saying things like “They can’t fix their own country so they’re coming to ruin ours” or “We don’t need more call center scammers”.