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Austrian ministry kicks out Microsoft in favor of Nextcloud

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Re: Austrian ministry kicks out Microsoft in favor of Nextcloud

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Post by jeroenhd »

rahkiin wrote: post #73
jeroenhd wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://nextcloud.com/office/ seems to be exactly that. Self hosting seems to consist of "set up nextcloud, set up collabora, click the integration button" https://nextcloud.com/blog/how-to-install-nextcloud-office/ Or just `sudo docker run --init --sig-proxy=false --name nextcloud-aio-mastercontainer --restart always --publish 80:80 --publish 8080:8080 --publish 8443:8443 --volume nextcloud_aio_mastercontainer:/mnt/…

That’s not very secure, giving a :latest container access to the docker socket…

It's not if you're running it system that also runs other software. On a dedicated VM, I wouldn't care, though.

As for :latest, that depends on the push policy of the container owners. NextCloud only pushes stable releases to :latest so it's probably fine. There's no reason a :v123 tag would be any more or less secure than :latest.

Re: Austrian ministry kicks out Microsoft in favor of Nextcloud

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Post by taskforcegemini »

taskforcegemini wrote: post #100
Jaxan wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

CryptPad uses end-to-end encryption for all documents. It has a very different use case than other collaborative office suites. You can of course still use it as a replacement, but in my experience opening documents takes a bit of time.

have the russia-ties been debunked though?

apoligies, it was onlyoffice that is russian

Re: Austrian ministry kicks out Microsoft in favor of Nextcloud

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Post by Ey7NFZ3P0nzAe »

rahkiin wrote: post #73
jeroenhd wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://nextcloud.com/office/ seems to be exactly that. Self hosting seems to consist of "set up nextcloud, set up collabora, click the integration button" https://nextcloud.com/blog/how-to-install-nextcloud-office/ Or just `sudo docker run --init --sig-proxy=false --name nextcloud-aio-mastercontainer --restart always --publish 80:80 --publish 8080:8080 --publish 8443:8443 --volume nextcloud_aio_mastercontainer:/mnt/…

That’s not very secure, giving a :latest container access to the docker socket…

It's only if you use the AIO package (=all in one). You can run it differently though.

Re: Austrian ministry kicks out Microsoft in favor of Nextcloud

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Post by npteljes »

I hope that they stick with it, and that the trend continues. I think that it would benefit the EU, and its citizens, to break free from Big Tech in general, and replace their services with open source alternatives, keeping it up with local IT teams. I think this furthers sovereignty and is also a benefit for the public.

Re: Austrian ministry kicks out Microsoft in favor of Nextcloud

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Post by lou1306 »

StopDisinfo910 wrote: post #97
tsimionescu wrote: post #18

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So much this. It's absurd that in a world where every government interaction isoving online, we still ask every individual state institution to contract out the development and maintenance work to outside companies, instead of having a government IT provider. The savings on bureaucracy and time spent analyzing puvlic offers alone would be immense over a decade.

You think governments should have a full integration team full time for potential software deployments of bought on the shelf solution? That doesn’t make much sense. Governments don’t have that much software integration to do. Especially when you consider that these projects generally require specific knowledge of what’s integrated. What will these people do the rest of the time? Are you suggesting hiring specialists…

> Governments don’t have that much software integration to do

...What? Most European governments rely on herds and herds of pachidermic, segregated software systems and databases. There's surely enough to keep a whole team busy for years, if not decades. And I'd be surprised if the final costs would be higher than hiring consultants again and again.

Re: Austrian ministry kicks out Microsoft in favor of Nextcloud

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Post by lou1306 »

kburman wrote: post #76

I get the appeal of moving away from Microsoft, but in my experience, Nextcloud is extremely bloated even for personal self-hosting. I wonder how well it will scale in a government setup.

I think it's the other way around. I agree that NextCloud is overkill for personal use, but it does feature a ton of bell and whistles that become useful at larger scales.

Re: Austrian ministry kicks out Microsoft in favor of Nextcloud

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Post by monospaced »

chris_wot wrote: post #84
t_mann wrote: post #43

Coming after the Austrian military ditched MS Office (365, Copilot, whatever it's called now) for LibreOffice [0]. Similar stuff going on in Denmark and to some extent in Germany [1]. Way to go! [0] https://news.itsfoss.com/austrian-forces-ditch-microsoft-off... [1] https://cybernews.com/tech/microsoft-why-germany-open-source...

I do wonder whether a lot of Europe is starting to decouple from U.S. tech.

Yes, there's a big push towards "Digital Sovereignty". The EU just now published a compact guideline for IT purchasing in regards to this: https://commission.europa.eu/document/download/09579818-64a6...

Re: Austrian ministry kicks out Microsoft in favor of Nextcloud

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Post by vagrantJin »

SchemaLoad wrote: post #95
infp_arborist wrote: post #62

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With AGI supposedly around the corner and (more realistically) current LLMs performing at least incrementally better -- why are we even thinking that Microsoft's or Google's solutions will provide enough value vs competitors in 3, 5 or 10 years? Cheaper or free alternatives might soon reach feature parity, and even previously complicated deployment is now aided by AI.

Multiple years of AGI around the corner and still no demonstrated improvement in submissions to FOSS projects. If anything it's slowed them down by wasting maintainer time reviewing slop.

Thats a skill issue. Maintainers can get through a whole lot more than ever before because they can review PR much faster. Thats great for velocity. Features still need that expert touch since no software system is simple but it is getting easier.

Re: Austrian ministry kicks out Microsoft in favor of Nextcloud

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Post by Telaneo »

chris_wot wrote: post #84
t_mann wrote: post #43

Coming after the Austrian military ditched MS Office (365, Copilot, whatever it's called now) for LibreOffice [0]. Similar stuff going on in Denmark and to some extent in Germany [1]. Way to go! [0] https://news.itsfoss.com/austrian-forces-ditch-microsoft-off... [1] https://cybernews.com/tech/microsoft-why-germany-open-source...

I do wonder whether a lot of Europe is starting to decouple from U.S. tech.

It's slow going, but it's atleast going in that direction.

Re: Austrian ministry kicks out Microsoft in favor of Nextcloud

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Post by 1oooqooq »

tsimionescu wrote: post #80
1oooqooq wrote: post #38

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oh it very much is. they just act and bill like it's not. corruption requires costs you cannot verify after delivery. for construction it's the exagerated foundation which they only actually deliver what's needed and pocket the difference. for software it is the hundreds of rewrites that may or may not have happened and are now in the past.

> corruption requires costs you cannot verify after delivery. No, that is plain fraud. Corruption is paying so that no one notices or cares about the the costs that can't be justified after delivery.

i guess your pedantry is right. it would be much more expensive to pay for corruption without the "safety" of some well executed fraud... but now it's open season and nobody even have to care about looking innocent anymore.
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