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YouTube Just Ate TV. It's Only Getting Started

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Re: YouTube Just Ate TV. It's Only Getting Started

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Post by shinycode »

krisoft wrote: post #75
shinycode wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe a business/layer would be needed (if that doesn’t exist yet) that pick « best quality » content and provide a curated list as a channel ? YouTube is just the whole catalog. I would definitely like that, channels and curated content from YouTube because I lost so much time finding great content sometimes that it’s sad.

The fundamental way how youtube content is organised is channels. You find a few channels you like, you watch their back catalogue and you subscribe to their new content. And it is indeed a business layer too. The people making the channel gets paid for their trouble per views. Each channel is a little brand with their own idea of what kind of content they will give to the viewers and in what shape and what kind of q…

Usually YT channels are per creator so it’s usually the same vein of content. But TV has channels from many sources and it’s a manually curated list of content. I was referring to the same way of aggregating content. TV is old and we don’t need a 1 month program of planned content I guess because everything is on-demand but still. Being able to make a specialty like curated channel and share it to watch it like TV might be a thing.

Re: YouTube Just Ate TV. It's Only Getting Started

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Post by jeffbee »

y-c-o-m-b wrote: post #98
jeffbee wrote: post #59

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I have to say this tells us more about you than it says about Google. I never see such recommendations. The theories that I would look into if this were happening to me, which I reiterate it certainly is not, would be in the following order: perhaps you've installed an extension that is inserting content into your life; you are using anonymization techniques that mix your identity with that of other people who are in…

This is victim-blaming mentality to a T. I don't understand the goal of your post. What is the solution you're proposing for those things? That they don't use anonymization techniques? They kick out the other people from their home? The OP is saying they don't watch that kind of content and they mark the videos as "not interested" and Youtube is still pushing the content. The onus is on Youtube to stop. Presumably OP…

It's not at all clear that the OP is logged in, or that YouTube is doing anything at all. This is HN, where it passes for rational thought that everyone installs rootkit "privacy" extensions in their browser and uses a VPN of no reputable provenance.

The goal of my post is to communicate that this does not resemble the mainstream experience of using YouTube.

Re: YouTube Just Ate TV. It's Only Getting Started

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Post by zingababba »

INTPenis wrote: post #7

In my circle, piracy is making a comeback. We're tired of having to hunt down streaming services, and be extorted for hundreds of euro a month, just to see ads for their own programs. Streaming was fun for a while, but as always these greedy execs are ruining it.

For me personally piracy made a comeback when everyone memory-holed "The Speech" episode from IT Crowd. I had even paid for it on a separate platform when Amazon removed it, only to find the platform I paid for it on removed it also. Say what you will about Graham Lineham, I still think it's one of the funniest IT crowd episodes, on par with "The Work Outing". I'd rather not have media I personally enjoy rug-pulled from me in this manner.

Re: YouTube Just Ate TV. It's Only Getting Started

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Post by array_key_first »

Tadpole9181 wrote: post #99
benbristow wrote: post #18

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Too many services nowadays. Was fine when it was just Netflix, had mostly everything, no ads, full quality. Nowadays Netflix price has gone up, additional plans for 4K/no-ads, anti-account sharing and less content as content now has gone to Amazon/Disney+/Hulu/Discovery+/Paramount+/Peacock/HBO etc. etc. Even if you subscribed to them all you'd still not have everything. Sailing the seas, you get everything for free o…

> Even if you subscribed to them all you'd still not have everything. Do you actually need everything, everywhere, all at once? Do one at a time and then switch after you run out of shows or if another service has a "must-watch".

Or, just pirate it. The quality will probably be better, anyway.

Re: YouTube Just Ate TV. It's Only Getting Started

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Post by array_key_first »

analog8374 wrote: post #5
froobius wrote: post #4

YouTube has so much questionable content on it that gets millions of views... Parents who've found ways to monetize their kids. Dangerous / unpleasant pranks being pulled on members the public. Conspiracy theories. Fake game shows where the winners being given money are actually friends of the host. Or where the host pretends contestants are doing something dangerous, but actually it's CGI, (misleading young viewers…

You don't like conspiracy theories? You prefer everybody agrees with the truth?

I mean, it depends a lot on the conspiracy theories.

The common right-wing conspiracy theories in the US are, like, one or two hops and skips away from "jews are running the world and we need to kill them".

Guys, why does everything come back to something hitler-y? Can we stop that please?

Re: YouTube Just Ate TV. It's Only Getting Started

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

hectdev wrote: post #16
ambicapter wrote: post #2

Is that why Youtube has become unwatchable?

It's a tool like anything else. I learn SO MUCH from Youtube. Watching someone DIY something where they show all the steps, makes it so accessible. I then learn from them and create some really intricate things from different domains without any formal training. I'm talking car repairs, electrical engineering, woodworking, metal work, gardening, 3d printing. The list goes on and on.

I used to think this. But over time everything just became infomercials.

'Ok lets install these parts from 123 parts'

I hate it. I refuse to volunteer to be subtly (or not so subtly) manipulated by Youtubers.

All the music production people are suddenly revealing tools they use, that oh wow, I'm so lucky, are going on sale for black friday. Weird that I've never seen them use these 'goto' tools ever before on their channels. Hmmm.

Re: YouTube Just Ate TV. It's Only Getting Started

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

cft wrote: post #76
pstuart wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We need a politically uncensored version (within the law) of YouTube What does that mean "politically uncensored within the law"?

Means for example, that this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnR4Xw74_is had only 70% of the algorithmic views (YouTube "suggestions" or "related content"). They did not ban it outright, so you cannot complain or rigorously prove their bias, but they algorithmically suppress dissenting content.

There are what, 3 billion people on the internet? You are not owed people's/the algo's attention.

Re: YouTube Just Ate TV. It's Only Getting Started

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Post by deaux »

fxtentacle wrote: post #61
ac29 wrote: post #58

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Hell, I'd be happy to pay full price to have this option. All my devices run Linux and apparently there is no amount of money that will let me stream paid content above 480p.

Maybe we'll soon see another round of "piracy as a paid service", just like Napster and the beginnings of Spotify.

That industry is still worth billions today. IPTV being the biggest one, then there's the debrid sites.

Re: YouTube Just Ate TV. It's Only Getting Started

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Post by AaronAPU »

froobius wrote: post #4

YouTube has so much questionable content on it that gets millions of views... Parents who've found ways to monetize their kids. Dangerous / unpleasant pranks being pulled on members the public. Conspiracy theories. Fake game shows where the winners being given money are actually friends of the host. Or where the host pretends contestants are doing something dangerous, but actually it's CGI, (misleading young viewers…

Everything was fake and centralized now it is fake and decentralized. I’m not entirely convinced it’s better. Maybe.

Re: YouTube Just Ate TV. It's Only Getting Started

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Post by deaux »

mouse_ wrote: post #83
rjdj377dhabsn wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why even look at the recommendations? Just watch videos that you searched for or those from known accounts. If you can't help yourself scrolling through the recommendations, there are browser extensions that will hide them.

Those extensions are ostrich hats https://calisphere.org/clip/500x500/26157/0c7951eaf2251821c1...

They're very different. If everyone bought an ostrich hat, the problem in the cartoon would grow only bigger, more and more victims being claimed. If everyone used those extensions, the exact opposite would happen - the problem would be solved, there would be no more victims. Sure, it would become a cat and mouse game, but the premise still holds.
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