How AI gave me my voice back – an artist's review of Suno Studio • Hacker News Board

Re: How AI gave me my voice back – an artist's review of Suno Studio

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Post by Forgeties79 » Sat, Nov 01, 2025, 1:32 AM UTC

NewsaHackO wrote: post #76

bigyabai wrote: post #70

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Most != all. Modern music also gave us some of the most forward-thinking sounds yet to reach the mainstream. When people get comfortable listening to slop, making something genuine or transgressive becomes attractive again. I think there's merit in worrying that AI-based music will cause artists to lose touch with the creative process, because I agree; a lot of modern music is pointless slop. Lowering the barrier to…

But different people have different parts of the creative process that they find appealing. For instance, in this blog, he said he had multiple stems but felt as though AI helped him flesh them out. By using AI assistance, he was able to create the music he always wanted to create, and therefore have fun with his hobby. If people like listening to it, then there is an added benefit. The people who think that things o…

Ultimately the problem is the countless people/companies that will game the system and saturate us with mediocre same-y AI generated crap so they can scrape by with a modest income. Just like crappy blogs, review sites, “news” sites, etc. abusing SEO to cobble together something resembling consistent monthly revenue. That will be the result. Any creative expression it produces will be overwhelmed by this problem. The cons drastically outweigh the pros. We’ve seen it so many times.

These enterprises create so much chaff it’s impossible to find the wheat.

Re: How AI gave me my voice back – an artist's review of Suno Studio

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Post by relaxing » Sat, Nov 01, 2025, 2:38 AM UTC

standardly wrote: post #30

nxpnsv wrote: post #14

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Not AI, suno.

What is the difference between 1.) Sampling a real snare sound 2.) Suno generating a couple random snare hits for you to choose from ? There are ways to use it that aren't far-removed from how real producers work. It's different to say "Generate me top-40 Sounding pop song"... But Suno has more uses than that.

There are already royalty free drum samples for days, and infinite possibilities of drum synthesis. No producer is hurting for snare samples. Why would I pay money for something I already have.

Tweaking drum sounds until they sound good is one of the more satisfying activities for a beat producer, and one of the primary ways I demonstrate my value. I’m not paying to turn that over to someone else.

Re: How AI gave me my voice back – an artist's review of Suno Studio

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Post by ukFxqnLa2sBSBf6 » Sat, Nov 01, 2025, 9:53 AM UTC

aeon_ai wrote: post #15

ukFxqnLa2sBSBf6 wrote: post #8

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Categorizing AI generated media as anything but slop demonstrates a shallow understanding of art.

Define art for me then. Because if you can’t do that, and effectively articulate why AI media can’t be art when used as a tool by an artist to achieve their creative intent, I would claim the win on this. one.

You were going to claim the “win” on this one no matter what anyone says. That’s one of the features of being arrogant.

I have zero desire to get into a semantic argument over this. That would be very boring and is a poor refuge for anyone trying to have an honest discussion.

It’s not a coincidence that nearly all the people today with actual artistic talent universally despise AI. Meanwhile it’s all the talentless tech bros who won’t shut up about how they’re now incredible “artists” that love AI.

I don’t see prompting an AI as creating art in the same way that commissioning a painting doesn’t make you an artist. In this example, it’s the AI model that is the artist creating the “art”, but since AI models aren’t sentient (yet) then what they create isn’t art anymore than a sunset is despite being aesthetically beautiful.

Your “it’s just a tool” argument is especially ridiculous when you consider that the “tool” can create the same “art” in its entirety without you. It would be like if I googled the Mona Lisa and copy pasted it into Paint and then called myself an artist because I used Google and Paint as my tools.

In the case of AI models anything you can think to prompt is already embedded in the model so it’s not like you’re even creating anything. It’s already there. If you have infinite monkeys on a keyboard prompting AI they can generate every single possible image an AI is able to generate. Where is the artistry again?

Re: How AI gave me my voice back – an artist's review of Suno Studio

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Post by aeon_ai » Sat, Nov 01, 2025, 2:10 PM UTC

ukFxqnLa2sBSBf6 wrote: post #103

aeon_ai wrote: post #15

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Define art for me then. Because if you can’t do that, and effectively articulate why AI media can’t be art when used as a tool by an artist to achieve their creative intent, I would claim the win on this. one.

You were going to claim the “win” on this one no matter what anyone says. That’s one of the features of being arrogant. I have zero desire to get into a semantic argument over this. That would be very boring and is a poor refuge for anyone trying to have an honest discussion. It’s not a coincidence that nearly all the people today with actual artistic talent universally despise AI. Meanwhile it’s all the talentless t…

I'll note I used no pejorative terms to describe you in order to make my points. I don't need to cast you as a villain or "unwise" individual to argue against the statements themselves.

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Your framing of AI presumes that my proposal is prompt in >> art out. False frame.

You also state "near universal" disdain of AI from people with "actual" talent. A bold claim to make with little data, and at least for me, clear examples of being false.

I know award-winning directors, iconic creatives, and career/professional artists who are all excited by the technology, exploring ways to use it, and learning how to composite it into their work.

Perhaps you would propose that they have no talent and are not "true" artists! This is why I ask for the definition of art. It's not a "poor refuge" for an honest discussion, it's something that is the fundamental term upon which your argument is hinged. You can't gatekeep "art" without defining what the gate is.

The OP talks about Suno Studio - A DAW experience with recording, editing, generative tools, and generative restyling. This is, objectively, a different level of tool than a "prompt to music" generation experience.

Something that is composited through multiple decisions made by a human, toward some end that only they see, through an iterative process...

Well, I'd say that's where the artistry is.

Re: How AI gave me my voice back – an artist's review of Suno Studio

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Post by ukFxqnLa2sBSBf6 » Sat, Nov 01, 2025, 8:51 PM UTC

aeon_ai wrote: post #104

ukFxqnLa2sBSBf6 wrote: post #103

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You were going to claim the “win” on this one no matter what anyone says. That’s one of the features of being arrogant. I have zero desire to get into a semantic argument over this. That would be very boring and is a poor refuge for anyone trying to have an honest discussion. It’s not a coincidence that nearly all the people today with actual artistic talent universally despise AI. Meanwhile it’s all the talentless t…

I'll note I used no pejorative terms to describe you in order to make my points. I don't need to cast you as a villain or "unwise" individual to argue against the statements themselves. -- Your framing of AI presumes that my proposal is prompt in >> art out. False frame. You also state "near universal" disdain of AI from people with "actual" talent. A bold claim to make with little data, and at least for me, clear ex…

No, there is nothing artistic about tools that help you modify or organize your prompts aka commissions for all the reasons I already stated above.

Let’s play a game. I’ll pick an artist who hates AI and you reply with an artist that loves AI. Let’s see who runs out first.

https://www.wired.com/story/guillermo-del-toro-hopes-hes-dea...

Re: How AI gave me my voice back – an artist's review of Suno Studio

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Post by aeon_ai » Sun, Nov 02, 2025, 1:19 AM UTC

ukFxqnLa2sBSBf6 wrote: post #105

aeon_ai wrote: post #104

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I'll note I used no pejorative terms to describe you in order to make my points. I don't need to cast you as a villain or "unwise" individual to argue against the statements themselves. -- Your framing of AI presumes that my proposal is prompt in >> art out. False frame. You also state "near universal" disdain of AI from people with "actual" talent. A bold claim to make with little data, and at least for me, clear ex…

No, there is nothing artistic about tools that help you modify or organize your prompts aka commissions for all the reasons I already stated above. Let’s play a game. I’ll pick an artist who hates AI and you reply with an artist that loves AI. Let’s see who runs out first. https://www.wired.com/story/guillermo-del-toro-hopes-hes-dea...

Modify or organize your prompts? lol - I don't think you have any familiarity with the tooling landscape in AI media gen.

I'll do you one better - I'll cite someone who has changed their mind.

https://deadline.com/2025/04/james-cameron-use-ai-cut-cost-f...

Re: How AI gave me my voice back – an artist's review of Suno Studio

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, Nov 02, 2025, 1:23 AM UTC

embedding-shape wrote: post #90

Forgeties79 wrote: post #82

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I think it’s pretty fair and I was not being quite as absolutist as you’re making my statement out to be. I said by and large it is a possible mental health crisis developing (or an existing one being expressed which I omitted). There are other possibilities, most of which I would say fall under “this person just doesn’t understand what an LLM is/isn’t and why it can’t engage in a consensual relationship.” I also did…

> Let me just ask you point blank: do you think LLM’s are sentient/akin to people? I think you have to ask those questions to someone else/somewhere else, I'm not saying I'm in love with an LLM or even that I understand how the people who say there are, you're gonna have to ask them those questions. I was merely describing thoughts and writings of others, and my perspective of what I've read, I don't have personal ex…

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Re: How AI gave me my voice back – an artist's review of Suno Studio

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, Nov 02, 2025, 1:25 AM UTC

Forgeties79 wrote: post #82

embedding-shape wrote: post #36

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I think that's almost unfair, to say someone can't feel feelings without being labeled as part of a "mental health crisis". Just because you and I don't understand it doesn't mean it's inherently bad. I mean I think it probably could be bad, but not just because I don't understand how they're feeling those feelings. But I wouldn't label those people "sick", feels borderline disrespectful.

I think it’s pretty fair and I was not being quite as absolutist as you’re making my statement out to be. I said by and large it is a possible mental health crisis developing (or an existing one being expressed which I omitted). There are other possibilities, most of which I would say fall under “this person just doesn’t understand what an LLM is/isn’t and why it can’t engage in a consensual relationship.” I also did…

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Re: How AI gave me my voice back – an artist's review of Suno Studio

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Post by JosephNetan » Sun, Nov 02, 2025, 1:51 AM UTC

Forgeties79 wrote: post #82

embedding-shape wrote: post #36

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I think that's almost unfair, to say someone can't feel feelings without being labeled as part of a "mental health crisis". Just because you and I don't understand it doesn't mean it's inherently bad. I mean I think it probably could be bad, but not just because I don't understand how they're feeling those feelings. But I wouldn't label those people "sick", feels borderline disrespectful.

I think it’s pretty fair and I was not being quite as absolutist as you’re making my statement out to be. I said by and large it is a possible mental health crisis developing (or an existing one being expressed which I omitted). There are other possibilities, most of which I would say fall under “this person just doesn’t understand what an LLM is/isn’t and why it can’t engage in a consensual relationship.” I also did…

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Re: How AI gave me my voice back – an artist's review of Suno Studio

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Post by ukFxqnLa2sBSBf6 » Sun, Nov 02, 2025, 7:07 PM UTC

aeon_ai wrote: post #106

ukFxqnLa2sBSBf6 wrote: post #105

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No, there is nothing artistic about tools that help you modify or organize your prompts aka commissions for all the reasons I already stated above. Let’s play a game. I’ll pick an artist who hates AI and you reply with an artist that loves AI. Let’s see who runs out first. https://www.wired.com/story/guillermo-del-toro-hopes-hes-dea...

Modify or organize your prompts? lol - I don't think you have any familiarity with the tooling landscape in AI media gen. I'll do you one better - I'll cite someone who has changed their mind. https://deadline.com/2025/04/james-cameron-use-ai-cut-cost-f...

I think I finally see what we’re clashing on. Where do you draw the line between “this is a tool assisting me in creating my art” and “here is my AI film I stitched together with 10 Sora prompts”?

The songwriter for K-Pop Demon Hunter’s Soda Pop used AI to help them write the lyrics - fine. The hacks on X calling themselves incredible artists because they can prompt Dall-E - slop.